Wednesday, March 22, 2023

Yes, it's a worry...

 

Yahoo News warns that the cost of care for the elderly is beyond many people's reach.


A wave of Americans has been reaching retirement age largely unprepared for the extraordinary costs of specialized care. These aging baby boomers - 73 million strong, the oldest of whom turn 77 this year - pose an unprecedented challenge to the U.S. economy, as individual families shoulder an increasingly ruinous financial burden with little help from stalemated policymakers in Washington.

The dilemma is particularly vexing for those in the economic middle. They can't afford the high costs of care on their own, yet their resources are too high for them to qualify for federal safety-net insurance. An estimated 18 million middle-income boomers will require care for moderate to severe needs but be unable to pay for it, according to an analysis of the gap by the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.

"It's this really enormous financial bomb sitting out there that most people are just hoping won't hit them," said Marc A. Cohen, co-director of the LeadingAge LTSS Center at the University of Massachusetts at Boston. "There's an incredible amount of confusion and denial."

. . .

Polls show the vast majority of people would prefer aging in place, in their own home. But median costs for 40 hours a week of assistance from a care aide in the home, for things like bathing, dressing, eating and toileting, run over $56,000 a year. A shortage of home care aides, moreover, was exacerbated by the pandemic.

Nursing homes provide the most intensive care for the most dependent seniors and function like medical facilities, averaging $120,000 a year unless you qualify for Medicaid, the federal insurance program for the poor and elderly. Medicaid will kick in only once an elderly person's resources are drained away.


There's much more at the link, including several examples.

This is a very serious concern for many older Americans, including yours truly.  I'm not yet in need of such care, but I almost certainly will one day - and I have no way at all to pay for it.  The only option would be to sell almost everything my wife and I possess, including our home, and spend that on care, in the hope that we'd then qualify for Medicaid (assuming, of course, that Medicaid still exists by then, and the country hasn't gone bankrupt).  Needless to say, I don't plan on doing that . . . but the only alternative is to live at home and hope I can cope.

I think there's a place here for small communities of like-minded people to help each other.  We've already spoken about such "tribes" or "clans" in terms of mutual self-defense against urban crime and violence, or helping each other in difficult economic times.  Another reason for forming such groups is to have its members help each other with senior care, as far as possible.  I think there are good reasons to pursue such options, provided enough people living close together are willing to help.  Churches, the American Legion and other social groups might be an option to help organize them.

What do you think, readers?  For the older among us, how do you plan to deal with this issue when it arises?  Do you have a solution, or is it going to be a case of taking one day at a time and coping as best we can?  Let us know in Comments, so we can get a better idea of our overall preparedness for a need that's certain to confront us all, sooner or later.

It's strange to think that modern medicine, with all its blessings, has in fact largely caused this conundrum.  We're living so much longer than our forefathers, and our illnesses and infirmities are much more "treatable" than they were;  so there are more older people in need of such care.  If we died at the "regular" time, of natural causes that until recently were taken for granted at the end of life, the problem probably wouldn't exist.  It largely doesn't in the Third World, of course, because those natural causes still kill older people in the absence of advanced medical treatment.

Peter


34 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have read the possibility of selling off un-needed possessions and using the proceeds to stay long term at a hotel chain of your choice. Far less expensive than medical home care facilities but take care of daily needs, often close to inexpensive restaurants and have 24 hour a day staff in case of emergency medical care needs. Can travel to seasonal destinations where warmer / cooler suits the person. Long term hotel pricing may have some monetary relief.

Not perfect but does have options, especially if one finds themselves alone with no one else nearby to watch over them.

I've just turned 60, so this concern is definitely in my future as well. Thank you for bringing it up. its good to have options.

Xoph said...

If you look at the statistics health care is 18% of GDP and 90% of health care costs come in the last year of life. A society without compassion could eliminate 16% of the 18% by eliminating care the last year of life.

Karl Denniger over at market-ticker.org has and continues to cover the scam that is health care. It is more about separating you from your money than healing. The insurance companies involved help farm your infirmities for the enrichment of all involved. I tried Traditional Chinese Medicine on a lark and found I've had more success with that than Western medicine. I've watched a friend suffer through cancer treatment. And there's the vaxx - still willing to trust the bustards?

My father-in-law hid his cancer and left his kids an inheritance. My wife is distressed by this years later but the man's life was about taking care of his family.

18% of GDP is a maintenance cost, we get nothing back from it. The great reset is coming and we may struggle to even fund the 2% for the young. Why are we no longer leaving farms and businesses to our kids but empty estates full of medical bills?

A compassionate society should care for the elderly, but our system has replaced greed with compassion. We do need a great reset, just not the way the WEF is thinking.

Michael said...

Before elder care extended families took care of each other.

Proverbs 19 …13A foolish son is his father’s ruin, and a quarrelsome wife is like a constant dripping. 14Houses and wealth are inherited from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the LORD.

Grandparents were watching over the children, not day care.

We've traded the family for a wallet (or lentil stew).

Eaton Rapids Joe said...

...and they joke about old guys with terminal cancer asking for a 'splody vest and a map...

Andrew Smith said...

Some older people I have spoken with (in the pro-euthanasia community no less) have thought long and hard about this sort of thing and worked out that you could have something like 6 elderly people living in a large house and have the necessary staff divided among you.

Rather than use a middle-man dedicated aged care facility, you simply pool your money together and do so much better for your buck. You also get to continue living in a nice place rather than an institution.

2Knives said...

We have long care health insurance which costs us $4350( per year for 2 people in Pa.). We just got it in 2020. Although it is expensive the alternative for anyone with pension and saving it is necessary. YMMV so plan accordingly .

Vitaeus said...

Rough place to be, at least you are aware of the issue, unlike many.
My mid 80s parents are dealing with the issue, but having a family member around to cover the things they are no longer able to do is much better than having nothing or spending the money for the care.

Another issue is that so many families are spread across the nation, the days of everyone living in the same county, let alone State has passed in my opinion.

JohnBlock@gmail.com said...

Biggest prob is lack of dental coverage by Medicare snd my State Employee's BC/BS, since retirement. It's all a crap shoot...

Uncle Lar said...

Apologies in advance and if you delete this I do understand, but this is my well considered and firmly held belief about the prospect of assisted living.
In other words, to me a living hell.

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

Mind your own business said...

I see how my elderly parents had the financial backing to live in a retirement community with health care benefits. My father passed away last year at age 98, unable to get around without the help of an electric chair provided by the VA. My mother is now 96, and suffering from mild dementia.

What I learned from all of this is that there is no way I want to live that long. The day I become a burden to my children or no longer enjoy my life, I want to be able to punch out. I don't need modern medicine to prolong my life unnaturally. The quality of life one has under those conditions is so poor, it isn't worth paying anything, let alone the huge amounts the system demands now.

JG said...

Me and my wife retired this last year. One good thing was we never did was to take any COVID vaccines. We do have other issues and as I moved past 65 the government forced me to by Medicare. My wife will be buying it shortly.

I see the US government not working to keep prices down for people either in Medical care or Medical drugs, which hurt people on fix incomes. With the COVID vaccines it seems the government is looking to eliminate citizens more then keep people that have been here all their lives supporting the government through taxes now that they can pull their money back out.

Eric Wilner said...

My wife and I are taking care of my elderly father, and managing to cope so far. His retirement income would cover some level of home care, and we'll likely be looking into elder-sitting services this year, but The System doesn't seem to be geared for such things. It's really amazing how broken the health-care / elder-care payment systems are, and of course services follow payments rather than demand because the payment company/agency is the true customer.

Dragon Lady said...

Just started having this conversation (in a serious way) since my husband goes on Medicare in July. Fortunately, I have another 10 years to work before I can retire, so we have time to figure the fiddly bits like dental and vision care, and hubby is a retired Marine, so Tricare for the win.

Right now, it's a matter of stating preferences, and waiting to see what the laws are when we get to my retirement age.

boron said...

@ Uncle Lar
There are those of us who have a religious reluctance. At least (at the moment) the VA provides for cremation and/or burial of a vet's remains (closed casket or no).
At 80++ I'm looking forward to the time when I become too severe a burden on my family.
Do I wind up in the second part of the Seventh Circle, Dante's Wood of the Suicides, or with encroaching dementia, do I turn my children's pity to hate while I run through their earnings which should be going to support their families?
That idea of a map and an explosive vest doesn't sound so terrible.

Anonymous said...

I agree. I am 57 and taking care of my 87 year old mother with dimensia. Other than various dimensia related issues, she is relatively healthy. It seems reasonable to imagine her existing in this limbo for years to come. This experience, and others in mylife, has helped me conclude that i will "punch out" when the time seems most appropriate. I have desire to exist the way i see others existing. It's not a life. We could get deeply into the religious, spiritual or philosophical ramifications but that's a long conversation. I have considered as many angles as i am capable of doing at this point and still think that's a step i may elect to take. Still hoping for many good years of good living before then tho 😀
Good luck in your own journey!

Rob said...

I remember the articles that talked about the high cost of raising a kid, turns out they were wrong because I never had that kind of money and raised kids anyway.
I'm figuring that this "getting old cost" is going to to be about the same thing, I don't have that kind of money so I'll just muddle through it and see if "they" are correct this time.

We all live our lives in our own way, that's just how it is. I imagine we'll do the best we can up until the end no matter what some writer thinks about it.

Anonymous said...

It is a very real problem.

In the past, this was a strong motivation for people to have children.

My father told me that the normal thing was for an aged parent to move in with a child... his grandfather moved in with them when he was young. How much better to live with you children and grandkids than alone or with strangers! I know this happens some today, but it is not the norm any more.

I think we are doing things wrong.

Arthur Bolstad said...

I suggest looking to Panamá for assisted living. I have seen $1000 a month for live-in health care. Non-family members appreciate the elderly and often step in to help. Look at panamarelocationtours.com and her videos.

Panamá has a "green card" equivalent for those with $1000 + 250 for dependents permanent resident visa. Panama city Panamá is bigger than Miami and a 1st world equivalent. Worth looking at, and maybe moving "now" before money runs out and/or you need the help immediately.

boron said...

Every time we get into a conversation similar to this, I remember the old story, Russian, of course:
A man takes his elderly father in a wagon with his son riding shotgun out into the woods. When he arrives at his destination, he gets out of the wagon and motions for this son to follow him walking home.
The son asks, "Why are we walking home? Why aren't we riding the wagon back?"
His father answers, "I'm leaving the wagon for grandpa, to keep him warm; he can break it up and use it for a couple of days fuel for the fire."
"But Dad," his son answers, "that means that I'll have to build one for you when the time comes."

Anonymous said...

Children should care for their parents, if you have children, just like you cared for them when they were little, and then also you have babysitters for your little ones. I grew up with a grandma and great-grandma in the home, and it was wonderful. Most people would not even consider caring for their parents now; how evil is that?

An interesting thing......the Amish don''t get dementia; they don't get very decrepit. Very little cancer. We oldsters need to look at what is in our lives that might be causing such things and get rid of them. My dog died of cancer after sleeping next to the wireless router.......we went to hard wired computers in one room only and my own cancer stopped coming back. What is in our food that, by healthier eating, we might avoid? Things to think about.

Anonymous said...

better to die in battle

Anonymous said...

@10:02 AM: We may have that opportunity.
As for preserving property / an estate against a Medicaid spenddown, talk to a trusts lawyer about putting some / most assets into a "necessities" trust, where the trust pays directly for your necessities, without the money ever touching your hands, so that you get the benefit, without there being anything for Medicaid to take.
John in Indy

Anonymous said...

My wife owns a home care business. There are a couple things you can do to help cover this cost. Start looking into long-term care insurance in once you're in the 55-65 age range. It's expensive, so it doesn't make sense to get it any earlier for most, but it will help reduce your over out of pocket cost if/when you need care if you purchase in this age range. Second, hopefully you're maintaining good relationships with your children. In the past this was the norm and it is still common. This reduces care costs more to the level of respite care which is to give the primary caregiver(s) a break. There are VA benefits that provide for long-term care services. Many unions and employers provide benefits as part of their retirement plans for discounts/coverage and some employers provide benefits to help their employees care for their elderly parents. You need to start looking into this for yourself and your parents sooner than you probably think. And if you're a primary caregiver, you want to get respite care involved reasonably early so you can avoid burnout or worse. We've seen several people caring for an ill spouse that end up literally working themselves to death while their spouse carries on and ends up in a facility.

Anonymous said...

If you are thinking of artificially impoverishing yourself to qualify for Medicaid, you should be aware that there is a 5 year "look back" provision, so go ahead and do it now.

As I understand it your home and car do not count (cannot force you to sell real property), but all other assets have to be spent down to less than $2000.

So do it five years before you need it?

My personal long term care plan is a Beretta 9mm. More likely I'll starve in the collapse.

Travis

Surly said...

I thought years ago that the most important initial use for robotics and AI was for elder care.

Stan_qaz said...

Family was looking at a similar situation and were given the suggestion of getting a divorce.
Property had to be split equally to avoid fraud issues but they could split the things MEDICADE wouldn't allow to the healthy ex-spouse allowing them to be preserved.
Ugly but it would have allowed them to keep several things they felt important.

Anonymous said...

Like many other commentators have said, that’s what the children are for. My parents took care of my grandparents and my brother took care of my mom (dad was killed in a car accident 20 years earlier).

Both my wife and I have worked in nursing homes and want no part of being put in one and made that clear to our 2 children. We have living wills written and will be allowed to die if the circumstances are dire.

Our children are aware of our desires and will care for us if it comes to that.

RSR said...

Put what assets you can into a trust. It takes a couple years for them to be protected from Medicare/the gov't, but does preserve at least some assets for your heirs. Obviously, talk to a qualified and competent trust attorney about how to do so properly.

Some churches -- believe i'm thinking specifically of one of those that doesn't believe in insurance (apostolic maybe?) and does believe in 10% or so biblical tithing provide retirement communities for their church members. Don't know full details but think it's something like tiny homes with very modest kitchen with a central meeting hall/activity room and dining facilities separate from but adjacent to the church. Prob something similar to but a little more robust than you had in the priesthood. Gives both community and care and prob giving add'l financial resources to church above tithe.

PeterW. said...

I am coming to the conclusion that one of the primary responsibilities of a good citizen, is to make a reasonable effort to remain healthy and productive for as long as possible.
I am not planning to voluntarily retire. I will no-doubt change how and at what I work, but I consider it a duty to remain a contributor for as long as is reasonably possible.
YMMV.

We “deserve” what we put in, not what we can vote ourselves from the pockets of others.

PeterW. said...

I’m sceptical of the argument that a long, slow and painful fading out of life and productivity is inevitable.
One of my Aunts lived in her own home and supervised her farm until she broke a hip at 97. One of my Uncles was doing chores on the farm the day before he died. He was 95.

In my 20s, I looked around at the number of people who were getting hip replacements in their fifties. I made myself a promise that I was not going to be a fat old man. At 58, keeping lean and in some kind of shape is obviously a bloody sight more work than it was at 18. But there is a LOT of evidence that much of what we associate with old age - arthritis, dementia, cancer, obesity - is far more related to diet and nutrition than it is to chronology. Or put it another way… we may be less able to tolerate a lousy diet than we could in the past, but we still have a choice. Eat right and keep moving, or suffer the consequences.

….Aaaand if you don’t savvy what is meant by “eating right”, just ponder the fact that as modern Western diets have moved closer to the recommendations of big pharma and big processors - the same “food pyramid” we all know and love - the more rates of heart disease, cancer, dementia, obesity and type-2 Diabetes have increased.

Andrew Smith said...

Follow-up post:

I'm a big believer that the "retirement" mentality is itself a big killer. Whether it's deciding that you will sit at home and watch the TV or that you're going to give up driving (and hence achieve much the same), people have the biggest health decline when they stop doing stuff.

Sometimes the symptoms of "getting older are what you encounter when you lose enough of your basic fitness.

Aesop said...

Elder care in this country is essentially warehousing for death in God's waiting room.

Avoid it at all costs.

Eric Wilner said...

A further note: even here in East Tennessee, people are surprised when my wife tells them we're taking care of my father. Apparently this is no longer considered normal. Are people really just dumping their aged relatives into warehouses?

Paul, Dammit! said...

We all thought my mom was insane when she traded in her pension as a town employee in exchange for lifetime health insurance on the town's plan.

She was not insane. My father was ill for many years, and after his passing, my mom went into kidney failure, went on dialysis and had top-notch care for both she and my father in their later years. Programs like that still existed right up until the Obama years. No more, sadly.
For me, I already have a trust set up and my home and certain accounts placed in it, so a nursing home or hospital can't place a lien or ownership claim on it.