tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post1611441072628045118..comments2024-03-29T04:31:25.034-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Why Christmas falls on December 25thPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14203771496784755812009-12-27T17:12:33.101-06:002009-12-27T17:12:33.101-06:00Don't get me wrong, it's not just the date...Don't get me wrong, it's not just the date, birth and death sequences they have in common. There's reams of things that are exactly or very nearly the same between Jesus and Horus, pretty much every important event in the life of Jesus is mirrored in the life of Horus, and even the names they are called are the same("The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower", etc).<br /><br />They share the same role, zodiac sign, virgin birth, their father god's only begotten son, their mortal father both of royal descent, their births announced by angels, they were both child teachers at the age of 12, have a gap in their life story between age 12 and 30, were baptised at the age of 30, their baptists were both beheaded. They both had 12 disciples and went around perfoming miracles such as walking on water, healing the sick, restoring sight to the blind, and ordering the sea to be still. They were both crucified on a mountain, accompanied by two thieves, and subsequently resurrected.<br /><br />And so on, and so on.<br /><br />Mind you that so much is borrowed from egyptian faith is hardly surprising since, according to the old testament, the jews used to be slaves in egypt.Mikaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04894602732468692375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-45793215660350530052009-12-27T08:49:32.897-06:002009-12-27T08:49:32.897-06:00Mikael, your theory sounds good, but with respect,...Mikael, your theory sounds good, but with respect, I don't think it holds water.<br /><br />None of the historical sources make any mention of the points you raise. It's only in the 20th century that 'scholars' tried to make the correlation between the date of Christmas and the sun, the zodiac, etc. Prior to that, and certainly in Christian antiquity, there was no mention whatsoever of any link between them.<br /><br />I'm therefore forced to conclude that this is a case of people trying to make the facts fit their theory, rather than the other way around.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-32621400997989248982009-12-26T14:07:29.546-06:002009-12-26T14:07:29.546-06:00Adding to the confusion over this question is the ...Adding to the confusion over this question is the often unaccounted fro conflation of historical circumstance. <br /><br />Early Christians (in the early Roman empire period ~30 BC -> 100AD) and after would have quite naturally used the celebration mechanisms and scheduling they were most familiar with when creating hoilday (holy day) celebrations and activities. I submit the creation of Kwanzaa here in the US late 20th cent. as recent historical example of this process in action.<br /><br />Post-Constantine, the faith became legal - if not still hotly debated - and the effort shifted to creating plausable seeming explanations (I hesitate to use the qualification "justify" though that may have been a concern at the time also - certainly there were furious debates between church scholars and authorities which would seem consistent with such a descriptive, but ...) for the timing and acceptability of the various events and activities.<br /><br />Then, post-900AD or so, christianity (which in those days effectively <i>was</i> the RCC) began to overtly - and quite openly in many cases - <i>retask</i> pagan and heretical sites and celebrative dates/events into the christian canon.<br /><br />So, three historical periods of change that often get lumped together in different fashions resulting in large-scale confusion. Add in the western and eastern distinctions along with a thousand+ years of sectarian jockeying for secular political power and we have "the" Christian church and faith circa almost-2010.<br /><br />I really like your blog and wish you and yours the very best in future.Will Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13454533450309633627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-64740283551687517872009-12-25T17:58:11.484-06:002009-12-25T17:58:11.484-06:00To further elaborate on why dec 25:
It's actua...To further elaborate on why dec 25:<br />It's actually purely astrological.<br />On dec the 25 the three stars in orion's belt(also known as the three kings), as well as the north star, are directly aligned with where the sun rises.<br /><br />Also of note is that the zodiac sign Virgo, also known as Virgo the virgin, was also represented with an M, and known as the house of bread. Bethlehem literally means house of bread, and the M is used for the basis of Mary.<br /><br />The same, pretty much exact story of dead for 3 days and ressurected, born of a virgin on dec 25th, the 3 kings, etc is also found in several other older religions. Gods such as Horus, Dionysis, Mithra, Krishna, etc(there's a whole laundry list of them, around 30 IIRC).<br /><br />It's about as derivative as it gets, and it's all about the sun.<br /><br />So is the 12 disciples(zodiac signs), etc. Much of the life of jesus can be found mirrored in much older stories like that of Horus(a few thousand years earlier).<br /><br />Just the last in a long line of solar messiahs really.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03310327797660481575noreply@blogger.com