tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post3170821680770089633..comments2024-03-28T19:58:31.110-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: The Tor imbroglio and the progressive narrativePeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-91459475085657598732015-06-14T13:01:01.782-05:002015-06-14T13:01:01.782-05:00The funniest thing I've seen about the various...The funniest thing I've seen about the various defenses for Irene Gallo that I've read involve removing her ability as an adult woman to think for herself and capacity for restraint (She's an artist! Not good with words! - variations) as well as removing her human agency as well as choice. <br /><br />So she's... a child? Autistic? Two attributes which normally would make blunders of such magnitude forgivable, but she is neither.<br /><br />It's her sheer lack of professionalism that astounds. Shadowdancer Duskstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816622060704932669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-34161858228730505062015-06-11T20:14:18.743-05:002015-06-11T20:14:18.743-05:00@Bibliotheca Servare: Feel free, and thank you fo...@Bibliotheca Servare: Feel free, and thank you for your kind words.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-3593149396078429512015-06-11T19:27:50.333-05:002015-06-11T19:27:50.333-05:00Excellent post, Mr. Grant. Truly excellent. A hear...Excellent post, Mr. Grant. Truly excellent. A heartening contrast to the flood of posts -including one that would be hilarious if it wasn't a truly frightening glimpse into the mind of a deranged "feminist" (quotes because...that ain't feminism), from the author of the book Mz. Gallo was actively promoting when she made her statement of "true facts" (quoting the aforementioned author) classifying "sad puppies" and "rabid puppies" as residing on a scale that ranged from "extreme right wing to Neo-Nazi" "respectively" (because a major editor at an important publisher doesn't realize that "respectively" is properly paired with "and" or similar, not "to") and declaring that, regardless of where they were on the scale, all the " sad" and "rabid" "puppies" supporters were "unrepentantly racist, misogynist[ic], homophobic" bigoted monsters. Even the women, the gay folk, the "PoC" participants (shoot, how has no one on their side noticed how racist "PoC" sounds? Embarrassing for them) such as, oh, Larry Correia, Sarah Hoyt, and many, many more, a huge number of them simply fans of Larry or Brad's, were all guilty of racism etc... True facts, that author called that pile of ridiculous, disgusting malarky...insert less pleasant term...- ahem...my aside was longer than my opening. *flushes red* Aaanyway, this post was a heartening contrast to all the vitriolic, hate and rage-or-disdain-filled posts written by the folks who still seem to think that the "puppy" campaigns (regardless of which one) are simply web-based arms of the KKK, and as such, owed nothing but hate and cursing. It was nice to read such a steady, toxic-attitude free, civil and thoughtful post. Would you object to my linking to this on Mr. Flint's blog? I'll wait, and if you'd rather I not, I understand, and "WILCO" with your decision. <br />God bless, sir. ;-)<br /><br />-Bibliotheca ServareAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-40754585237120330842015-06-10T22:41:46.818-05:002015-06-10T22:41:46.818-05:00Bugger autocorrect. Tor obviously.Bugger autocorrect. Tor obviously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-17893753496014810942015-06-10T22:39:24.665-05:002015-06-10T22:39:24.665-05:00Come on at the very least be consistent. If you ar...Come on at the very least be consistent. If you are going to attack For because of Scalzi's comments what about going after Wright's publisher over his comments. Whoops that would mean both For and Castila Vox's vanity project.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-51600465232855732752015-06-10T21:38:30.233-05:002015-06-10T21:38:30.233-05:00I intend to write to Tor Books, Macmillan Publishe...I intend to write to Tor Books, Macmillan Publishers, and their parent corporation, Verlagsgruppe Georg von Holtzbrinck. <br /><br />Holtzbrinck is a German Corporation. I do not think that they will take kindly to their employees calling thousands of people Nazis and Neo-Nazis on a public forum. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-70972439513986777572015-06-10T19:36:06.778-05:002015-06-10T19:36:06.778-05:00You know, if Gallo resigned right now, when the so...You know, if Gallo resigned right now, when the sound and fury is at its peak, the SF community would forever conclude that she had been forced out by Tor. She'd have no end of support from the anti-Puppy side: job offers, invitations to speak, tv appearances, book deals, etc. Based on what Wright and others familiar with her are saying it sounds like she's got real talent. If she turns these 15 minutes of fame into an opportunity rather than the worst day ever I'll be impressed.Swogglerhttp://swoggler1.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-62037005264691113772015-06-10T18:49:02.509-05:002015-06-10T18:49:02.509-05:00Funny how they keep dragging Vox into this, and no...Funny how they keep dragging Vox into this, and not just because Vox is clearly living rent-free in their heads.<br /><br />If Tor is so upset about raging a-holes on the internet, then why did they just throw a seven-figure book deal at Scalzi? Whatever other faults the man has, at least Vox doesn't bore you to death, bragging about how tolerant he is while smearing you on Twitter.<br /><br />And you'll never see a "Mean Girls" moment out of Vox like Scalzi's multiple, ludicrous attacks on Larry Correia. Remember the time Scalzi claimed Correia was a "rape apologist" because Correia advocated self-defense training for women?<br /><br />I remember a rather notorious "Making Light" comment thread during last year's Puppies imbroglio, in which after pages of vitriol, censoring, deletion and "disemvoweling" of opposing comments, the nastiest sort of personal attacks against the pro-Puppies and general sniveling by the Tor.com crowd, Patrick Nielsen-Hayden was reduced to claiming that he didn't oppose conservatives because hey, he edited David Weber's "Safehold" series for Tor!<br /><br />If Weber hadn't already established himself as a bestselling author with a huge fan base over at Baen, does anybody seriously think Pat would willingly have anything to do with him? I'm sure Pat has plenty of *black* friends, too...<br /><br />The Nielsen-Haydens, Liz Bourke, Moshe Feder, Irene Gallo...enough. a pox - a Vox! - on them all.<br /><br />There are individual Tor authors I'll continue to read and support, including Weber, Brandon Sanderson, OSC and John C. Wright. (And one wonders how long those four will last, given the increasingly shrill tone of the Tor in-crowd.)<br /><br />But anybody else at Tor, including some really promising new writers I might otherwise be interested in reading? Forget it. I expect I'd be too busy wondering what hoops of political-correctness they had to jump through (and which behinds they had to kiss) to win the Tor seal of approval.<br /><br />--Wes S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-90636824803721520512015-06-10T18:26:59.734-05:002015-06-10T18:26:59.734-05:00No need to convince me of a boycott. As soon as I ...No need to convince me of a boycott. As soon as I saw that post (which I went and verified on her own FB wall) my mind was made up that I wouldn't be purchasing anything that said Tor on it, nor any of it's affiliated houses unless they took certain corrective actions. I made my intentions clear in emails I sent to Tor and MacMillan as well as on my own blog. To date I haven't seen those actions being taken. So to Tor, No more of my money for you!kamas716https://westfargomusings.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-55651514509246746372015-06-10T16:07:47.617-05:002015-06-10T16:07:47.617-05:00Tor, on the other hand, risks losing everything by...<i>Tor, on the other hand, risks losing everything by not acting. I say that as a former director of companies, with post-graduate business education and a good understanding of the financial pressures on Tor and companies like it.</i><br /><br />Same here. The market is changing, and the numbers do not look good for the Big 5 publishers moving forward. Not just in SFF, but in all markets. Technology has moved past them, and the value-added of being a big house is shrinking. It is time to re-think business models for the information age.Tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03842067230152580405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-2104028790316265582015-06-10T16:04:39.154-05:002015-06-10T16:04:39.154-05:00Glen in Texas, the problem with your proposal is t...Glen in Texas, the problem with your proposal is that there has never been a single Hugo Award that would have qualified under those numbers. So far the maximum number of votes for Best Novel was last year, with a bit over 3000 votes cast. <br /><br />There is already a minimum-votes rule. Any category receiving votes less than 25% of total ballots is not awarded.Tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03842067230152580405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-36782161409852118972015-06-10T13:53:12.526-05:002015-06-10T13:53:12.526-05:00The problem is bigger than SJWs in SF/F; it's ...The problem is bigger than SJWs in SF/F; it's the entire culture. We live in an age where anyone who fails to embrace same-sex "marriage," open borders, and, of course, Social Justice, is a racist, white-supremacist nazi.Mikehttp://mctuggle.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-72559858799042274122015-06-10T13:09:17.865-05:002015-06-10T13:09:17.865-05:00I also note that Ms. Gallows 'Apology' boi...I also note that Ms. Gallows 'Apology' boils down to I'm sorry you feel that way. Never said anything about her remarks being inaccurate/outright lies, just sorry someone was upset about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13523833663921085022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-12546691787738068152015-06-10T12:06:12.405-05:002015-06-10T12:06:12.405-05:00The overarching theme in the Tor comments is that ...The overarching theme in the Tor comments is that one should be able to call "assholes" anything...even "neo-nazis" whether or not that smear is factual. Truth? Piffle. They have no need of it nor a desire to seek it. <br /><br />Oh and Mr. Grant, your pithy turns of phrase in your blog led me to believe I might like your fiction. I picked up Maxwell #1 and am enjoying it immensely. Good stuff Maynard! Puppies score again. Swogglerhttp://swoggler1.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-59456644578689793112015-06-10T11:17:22.810-05:002015-06-10T11:17:22.810-05:00Gallo not only vented her spleen by smearing a hug...Gallo not only vented her spleen by smearing a huge percentage of SFF fandom, she did it to her own Tor authors, John Wright and Kevin Anderson! That means she is not only vicious and hateful, but also stupid. And Tor keeps this person on as an executive? Excuse me, there's a disconnect there somewhere....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12226678520989089660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-54325235994430310872015-06-10T09:17:57.474-05:002015-06-10T09:17:57.474-05:00I would point out that even if what Gallo said was...I would point out that even if what Gallo said was true she still had no business saying it in a public forum. Tor is a business. I know that many SJWs have a hard time wrapping their heads around this, but a business exists to make money, not fight culture wars. <br /><br />That's why "othering" the puppies is so important. If we are sub-human scum then it is OK for them to treat us as they do.Ron Winkleheimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04176638872652336967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-11579885668209914792015-06-10T09:11:59.993-05:002015-06-10T09:11:59.993-05:00The root cause of the problem seems to be that sma...The root cause of the problem seems to be that small groups feel they represent the majority of SF readers.<br /><br />When working on rule changes for the Hugo, why not require a minimum of 5,000 votes cast for best novel, and a minimum of 2500 votes for other catagories? This should be increased over no more than ten year to 10,000 and 5,000 respectively.<br /><br />If the required minimum of ballots are not received, then it will be a 'No Award'. <br /><br />One of the driving ideas behind SP was to broaden the number of voters. Requiring minimum number of ballots would do this.<br /><br /><br />Glen in TexasGlenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826464928376433382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-80330124476348216372015-06-10T08:19:55.958-05:002015-06-10T08:19:55.958-05:00The boycott has already begun.
rlwThe boycott has already begun. <br /><br />rlwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-8807083772270048682015-06-10T07:55:47.139-05:002015-06-10T07:55:47.139-05:00"... straight white dude story" - Nebula..."... straight white dude story" - Nebula nominee Kate Elliott<br />"White Dude parade" - Hugo nominee Seanan McGuire<br />"Someday all the straight white dudes will board the ships into the west and diminish. 'Now begins the age of… everyone else.'" - Joel Watson<br />"... it's not b/c I dislike white dudes, it's because White Dudes rarely examine their privilege" - K. Tempest Bradford<br />"OLD WHITE DUDES ARE ANGRY THAT EVERYTHING IS ONLY 98% SKEWED TOWARD THEIR OLD WHITE DUDE EXISTENCE" - Chuck Wendig<br />"White dudely authors being white and dudely and gross, get out of my life." - Anna Hutchinson<br />"... if a problem isn't seen by a straight white dude, it doesn't exist" - Nebula nominate Veronica Schanoes<br />"... so great seeing all these white dudes talking about how fucking awesome they are for standing up to G----Gate." - Natalie Luhrs<br />"The straight white dude perspective is basically the Dunning-Kruger effect apex of all civilization" - Cecily Kane of the Hugo-nominated Skiffy & Fanty franchise<br />"soooo many of these blowups involve white dudes who think they are princes..." - Solace Ames<br />"I totally do see the 'Here's a list of recommended white dudes!' thing happening" -Elizabeth Bear.<br />"Well-educated white dudes with a lot of opinions and just enough smarts to think they have it all figured out make me so goddamn tired." - Sunny Moraine<br />"the little clique of white dudes grumbling about the Nebula awards" - Damien Walter<br />"Poor set upon white dude talks about his white dude pain." - Cora Buhlert<br />"white people scrambling to save face and look more enlightened than the next white person" - Requires Hate<br /><br /><br />This is from a review of Guardians of the Galaxy at Tor:<br /><br />"misogynistic, male objectification, sexualize, straight white man, white dudebro, person of color, lack of diversity, blond white men, LGBTQIA, sexual object, rape culture, straight male’s sexual appetite, PoC, sex objects, non straight/white/male, white male superhero protagonists, straight black dudes, Asian, Native American, Middle Eastern, or Hispanic character, trans person, slut-shaming."<br /><br />Multiply that by 1,000.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00004333519370593118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-19753223950386849802015-06-10T06:20:09.489-05:002015-06-10T06:20:09.489-05:00I hate to say this about other SF folk, Mr. Grant,...I hate to say this about other SF folk, Mr. Grant, and they weren't always this way, but if you do any signings, particularly out of state, leave a friend to watch your car. You will have folks looking in the parking lot for TN plates now looking to strike a blow for social justice with a key, or a brick, or a knife. RustyGunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07607539523531544524noreply@blogger.com