tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post9111329071908035613..comments2024-03-28T16:03:02.583-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: The state of the Tor boycott (and SJW's)Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-82586743041855426232015-07-03T01:19:26.730-05:002015-07-03T01:19:26.730-05:00In politics/civic affairs, the yardstick was each ...In politics/civic affairs, the yardstick was each letter was equal to 100 people who didn't send one, but agreed. That was pre-email days, and I've no idea how it goes today, but suspect it is similar.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-32708521888213834042015-07-02T22:49:12.899-05:002015-07-02T22:49:12.899-05:00They're still trying to identify 'leaders&...<i>They're still trying to identify 'leaders' of the Sad Puppy faction and draw them out, so that they can demonize them as individuals.</i><br /><br />Straight out of Alinsky. When you read their manual of evil and compare it to their tactics, they become sadly predictable.Wraithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02791730539181731523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14769735468267393592015-07-02T13:26:52.509-05:002015-07-02T13:26:52.509-05:00Yep, ain't signed anything or sent anything, b...Yep, ain't signed anything or sent anything, buuut my last trip to B&N I spent right at $23.00+ and I checked to be certain none of that was going to Tor. And that's probably my monthly average at B&N.0007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-17484932606790837212015-07-02T11:38:06.267-05:002015-07-02T11:38:06.267-05:00@John Seavey: Those figures are not mine, but ano...@John Seavey: Those figures are not mine, but another commenters. My figures, based on actual e-mails and many conversations, plus discussions with others involved, are considerably higher in terms of the number of individuals involved. The amount they used to spend on Tor books ranges from $10-$20 per year all the way to a couple of hundred dollars.<br /><br />Multiply your guesstimate of $20K by at least seven, and you'll get close to what I consider to be the <i>current</i> impact of the boycott. The word is still being spread by supporters, and more people are joining it. I wouldn't be surprised to see the financial impact rather higher by the end of the year. Time will tell.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-41223969005363003902015-07-02T11:31:57.986-05:002015-07-02T11:31:57.986-05:00I'm sorta participating in the boycott (sorta ...I'm sorta participating in the boycott (sorta because I didn't buy many TOR books over the last couple years) but I didn't sign any petition. I'd rather not put my name out there for the SJWs to attack personally especially since my employer is in the middle of SJW-central.<br /><br />Unlike SJWs where putting their name on something rarely brings any personal or professional risk and who love signing petitions to get their self-righteousness fix, the number of silent people on our side who do run significant professional and personal risks by putting their name on anything is going to outnumber those who are willing to run those risks or due to their employment and personal situations don't actually run any risks.Senecanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-77557314404890365742015-07-02T11:23:38.441-05:002015-07-02T11:23:38.441-05:00*nod* I don't normally look at the publisher ...*nod* I don't normally look at the publisher of a book as much as I do the author, but I've started.<br /><br />I don't argue with stores that put up "no guns allowed" signs, I just comply and stop giving them my money. I used to fight racist skins in my youth. I won't take being called a Nazi lightly, and continue to give my money to anyone who does, either.perlhaqrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920117742664645165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-26259690876032442962015-07-02T11:12:32.069-05:002015-07-02T11:12:32.069-05:00A point, John Seavey. It has been my experience t...A point, John Seavey. It has been my experience that the loudest are usually not alone and there are far more people who are willing to talk simply with their money than put their name on anything. The ones willing to send an e-mail are bolder than the ones likely to go 'you know? Tor's not worth my time.' The latter group exposes themselves to nothing. They risk nothing. They just find other things to read. I think we are likely to see MORE people avoiding buying Tor products than writing e-mails. "I don't like that, I'll go somewhere else." is one of the most dangerous things to any business's bottom line.WyrdBardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-74884127071335134952015-07-02T11:12:28.079-05:002015-07-02T11:12:28.079-05:00i am among those boycotting, but I did not send an...i am among those boycotting, but I did not send any emails. One of the silent types. yes, I bought Tor, but now I'm not. $130 a year is high, but I think there are lots like me, who are not buying anything. Every dollar will add up in the end.JeffWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-46114848217362567122015-07-02T10:20:48.250-05:002015-07-02T10:20:48.250-05:00Well, first off, you'd need to cut those price...Well, first off, you'd need to cut those prices by 30% or more, because Tor sells the books wholesale to retailers who mark it up to SRP. Retailers would be taking that hit, but it's spread among all retailers.<br /><br />But more importantly, where is Peter getting a figure of 800 boycotters who spent $130 per year on Tor books pre-boycott? The number of people willing to send an email, thr absolute minumum in time and effort, topped out at 765. And many of those admitted they didn't like or buy Tor books. I'd say you can half that number, probably even quarter it. Then take another 30% off for the wholesale discount. So it's probably hitting Tor to the tune of $20,000 a year.John Seaveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07530526320973807452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-80361603303591491802015-07-02T04:21:39.016-05:002015-07-02T04:21:39.016-05:00Migly;
If he's talking gross sales and not ne...Migly;<br /><br />If he's talking gross sales and not net, the calculation is simple:<br />X people not buying Y books for an average price of Z.<br /><br />Lets say that, the boycotters normally buy.... 10 Tor books each, 3 HC, 7 PB (or ebook equivalents). That's about what, $130 in gross sales by Amazon prices? 800 people boycotting * 130 =104,000. <br /><br />If the average price or the average number of books is smaller, you need more people, mind you. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-46100998221510817272015-07-01T22:44:01.213-05:002015-07-01T22:44:01.213-05:00"I'd say it's certain that we're ..."I'd say it's certain that we're on track to cost Tor a six-figure sum this year, and probably that will continue for the foreseeable future."<br /><br />Could you share the calculation behind this estimate?Miglyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267469407612636681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-29616584847072895912015-07-01T13:19:18.753-05:002015-07-01T13:19:18.753-05:00Greenfield's article is the truth. SJW's a...Greenfield's article is the truth. SJW's are the brownshirts of the 'progressive' left; in fact the progressive left is fascism in every since of the word.Bill Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68977011347667632362015-07-01T13:17:24.285-05:002015-07-01T13:17:24.285-05:00Would it be too much of a stretch to regard the wh...Would it be too much of a stretch to regard the whole thing as slow-motion doofidity?Snoggeramusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14162871657615577152015-07-01T13:06:13.210-05:002015-07-01T13:06:13.210-05:00The situation with SP, RP and the boycott is very ...The situation with SP, RP and the boycott is very similar to what happened with the (ongoing) Gamer Gate incident, something I think is no coincidence. Luckily all the anti-GG tactics have proved near totally ineffective and are bringing more and more people who would have otherwise remained silent to speak out.<br /><br />If the parallels to GG hold true you've got a long fight ahead of you, but the people who tend to vote with their wallets will be on your side.Ferricnoreply@blogger.com