Tuesday, November 18, 2025

Lock them all up? Can we afford that?

 

Over the past few months I've been noting the number of calls from both sides of the political spectrum to lock up - i.e. imprison - those they don't like, or whom they think deserve it.  If all those calls were heeded, our prison population would be at least ten times higher than it is today - and, let's not forget, the USA imprisons a higher proportion of its population than any other First World nation.  When it comes to locking up people, we're the winners and still champions, by a very long way.

What people forget is the backstory to prisons.  They're a relatively modern phenomenon, in the sense of long-term incarceration.  Short-term detention (say, between arrest and trial, or trial and sentencing) has been with us for centuries, but long-term imprisonment as a punishment is only two to three centuries old.  The reason is simple:  it's expensive!  If the State imprisons a man for a period of months or years, it is responsible for his upkeep during that period.  It can't be any other way, because he has no means of supporting himself while incarcerated, and it's unlikely his family and/or friends will be able to do so.  Metrasens estimates:


The cost of incarcerating an inmate varies significantly by state, facility type, and inmate population. According to recent estimates:

  • The median annual cost per prisoner in the U.S. is around $65,000.
  • Some states exceed $100,000 per inmate per year, such as California, New York, and Massachusetts.
  • The lowest-cost states (e.g., Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana) spend around $23,000-$30,000 per inmate per year.
  • The Federal Bureau of Prisons reports an average cost of $36,300 per inmate annually.


There's more at the link.  Those figures cover accommodation, clothing, food, medical care and essential legal services (as ordered by the courts).  Incarcerating illegal aliens between their arrest and deportation is adding enormously to those costs right now.  It's been estimated (I don't know how authoritatively) that a single alien costs in excess of $5,000 per month to house, care for and provide security against escape.

Our problem at the moment is how to reduce expenditure on jails and prisons, because we can't afford the ones we've got!  As long as the drive to round up and deport illegal aliens persists, prison and jail costs will continue to soar out of reach of budget-cutters.  It's simple economics.  Increase the demand (for prison cells) and you force an increase in the supply (of money to build, maintain and operate them).  I entirely agree with deporting illegal aliens, but we have to face reality too.  That's why illegals who self-deport are being offered free flights to their home countries plus $1,000 apiece to go voluntarily.  It saves us a lot of money compared to doing it the hard way.

It's also worth noting that only relatively wealthy countries can afford large prison systems such as ours.  Most nations can't afford them, so they don't bother.  Anyone who's lived and worked in the Third World will be able to tell you horror stories of prisons crowded to three or four times their capacity, resulting in gang conflict and all-out riots (as, for example, in Ecuador and Brazil);  prisoners starving to death because the money to feed them was misappropriated by underpaid prison officials;  and families being forced to bring food and clothing to their loved ones every day, or see them gradually die of hunger.

Being a wealthy country with touchy-feely public morals (well, sometimes, anyway), we've chosen to build a prison system to house incarcerated persons in at least minimal comfort.  Trouble is, we (the taxpayers) don't like paying for it;  and it's going to get a lot more expensive as we increase the number of inmates, whether transient or otherwise.  Deporting illegal aliens comes with a hefty price tag.  The question is, do we want them gone badly enough to be willing to pay that price?

Peter


21 comments:

  1. The price of letting tens of millions of invaders stay is much, much higher.

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  2. What country do we leave our children and grandchildren? We are $38.2 trillion in debt. We were rich, now we are not. Most just don't realize it yet.

    Illegals are a very large net drain on the economy and the treasury. This POV doesn't even account for the moral or legal aspects. The politicians that made this happen need to be imprisoned with the illegals and deported with them. If we wanted to help those people, plenty of churches provide help internationally. Help them in their own country.

    So, what do we do? 1) No federal money or assistance. 2) Arrest any public official for harboring that supports illegals in any way, including providing state benefits to illegals. 3) There is tremendous fraud around stolen social security numbers and everify. I hate the idea of biometrics because of govt abuse. I am unsure how to deal with that. 4) Any business caught employing an illegal, $1,000,000 fine per illegal. Fine every company officer. All of them, not the company-the people running the company. This will put small firms out of business. Yes, yes it will. When you subsidize your business at the public expense, it needs to be closed down. No business license for you until the fine is paid. 5) Any structure that houses illegal aliens is confiscated and burned/demolished. No building on that site for 5 years. 6) Anyone selling food or providing food to illegals gets fined. That includes churches. Set up a system that will feed them while waiting for a plane. 7) Special courts designed to try cases within 24 hours, no food to the detainees. Judges from military and retirees. They have jurisdiction to decide all penalties named above including to US citizens.

    Note, no use of capital punishment. I do think if you are here illegally and are guilty of certain felonies there should be capital punishment. That's another topic.

    When the value of the dollar does crash and we find ourselves struggling to feed our own the above will probably be gentler than what we choose to do at that point. See paragraph above.

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  3. do we want them gone badly enough to be willing to pay that price?

    YES

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  4. 1) we cannot afford prisons when regulations demand First Class treatment of child-rapists, mom-killers, etc.

    2) In the good old days banishment was 'prison.' Granted, sending the horribles to California might be expensive, but both will get what they deserve.

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  5. The historical solution to this is of course execution. For the one time cost of a bullet or a length of rope the criminal is no longer a burden on society

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  6. Think of all the libtards who truly believe people should be jailed for some trivial paper crime over guns or some other issue while conservatards want to jail non violent people to over some drugs. Both same sides of the same coin.

    I don't endorse illegal drug use and even recent varieties of marijuana are questionable, but jailing people over some of this stuff seems pointless.

    I'm more concerned about those who physically assault people and why they are not being physically removed from society.

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  7. So it's true! "They can't arrest us all!"

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  8. I do not see the problem. If I know ahead of time that my actions will cause my death, I will not do it. If I jump off a tall building, I will die - I know this. If I try to infiltrate certain foreign countries, I will die. Why can't we be one of those countries?

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  9. Well since the left...and islam... absolutely refuse to coexist with the rest of us we are left with only two rational choices. Either incarceration or extermination. Anything else results in OUR extermination. Not a pleasant choice but the one one that preserves western Christian civilization. THEIR RULES not ours.

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  10. You missed a bet that is as old as time. Why should the state support prisoners in prison? There is no good reason. Make it like hospital care in places like Korea where your family better show up and look after you in hospital or you are in a world of hurt. The prisoners with no family to send money for their food and upkeep can be put to work and there's no need for all that much supervision anymore. Wire them up to an explosive that cannot be cut off without very special tools and tell them to behave very very nicely or die trying.
    Coddling prisoners is something new. I think it was a largely failed experiment.

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  11. The previous comments regarding illegals are valid, and if enacted, will solve that problem. Capital punishment and corporal punishment will solve the rest of the prison overpopulation problem. Execute murderers and rapists. Beatings and the whip, then release, for all the rest.

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  12. Don't think of detention centers as prisons or jails which are for permanent guests. Tents with two wired fences work well and PB&J is a solid manner of feeding the illegals on the way out.

    The cost isn't the problem. The desire to rid our country of more than 50 million illegals and grifters is the issue. Previously, if you entered the country you had to have a sponsor family that was responsible for your wellbeing. Now that responsibility is pushed to the taxpayer.

    Tents and PB&J before quickly sending the entire family to their home country or somewhere else that will take them.
    Dave

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  13. Good comments all. Execute murderers, rapists, child molesters. Expel all immivaders (magic papers or not). Beat the crap out of 'lesser' offenders. Clean up the gene pool. No other way to return to a polite, high trust, civic society.

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  14. Yeah, you're probably right, just choot em'

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  15. The cost of imprisonment, deportations, and executions are all smaller than the cost on letting them freely roam in society. A large percentage of the prison population belong in insane asylums instead of prison, but people are too squeamish to bring those back as well. Ultimately if you want a safeish society with minimal government it requires that the government you do have to remove those incapable of governing themselves from the population.

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  16. Well, well, well. These aren't the answers that you were expecting, were they. In certain cases you reply with some sort of response. This occasion should be one of them.

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  17. You may have missed my comment in the piece above: "I entirely agree with deporting illegal aliens". The question is, how can we afford the process involved in deporting them? That's why I wrote this article, so that people can weigh in with their own solutions if they have them.

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  18. Send them back, or ballistic beatification, or tar/feathers, or X days in public stocks on the courthouse lawn (if they survive)...

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  19. Yes, prisons as long-term confinements for the masses is a recent thing. We can thank the Quakers for that.

    Solution? Get rid of the failed Quaker experiment of prisons being temples of rehabilitation.

    Return back to Corporal and Capital punishment. And prison as a hardship not as a holding facility.

    And bring back insane asylums.

    So am I actually proposing public whippings and scourgings? Yes. Very much. Why? Because it works. Physical punishment is far more effective than banishment or warehousing.

    And, yes, more executions. Especially for drug dealers and chronic alcoholics who commit vehicular manslaughter while under the influence.

    As to all those other first world nations with smaller prison populations, they are either monocultures like Japan or they aren't reporting a lot of crimes committed by 'refugees' and 'immigrants.' Britain's prisons should be full of groomers and rape gang members, but they don't prosecute. Same with Sweden, where grenade attacks are not uncommon, just not reported nor prosecuted, as are attacks with machetes, guns, knives and acids done by the vibrant immigrants.

    We need better prisons. One that actually punish the wicked and make them work hard for their daily food.

    And, no, it's not cruel and unusual punishment. Especially if you apply the 'original meaning' of cruel and unusual as it pertains to the founding of this country.

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  20. It is tough to fix any problem and the illegals problems has been huge my entire lifetime. First, get rid of all the freebies, we cannot afford them anyway.

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  21. Hi Peter

    O/T and FYI

    FWIW

    "Asylum for Brits seeking to flee Starmer’s free speech crackdown

    The Trump White House is mulling political asylum for British free speech activists branded “thought criminals” under Keir Starmer’s regime, in one example offering refugee status to those prosecuted for silent protests outside abortion clinics as well as expressing online dissent."

    https://richardsonpost.com/steve-watson/41028/trump-offers-lifeline-to-uk-thought-criminals/

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