In an interview a few days ago, the Commissioner of the Department of Corrections in Minnesota raised what I think is a very worthwhile question.
On Friday’s broadcast of NPR’s “All Things Considered,” Minnesota Department of Corrections Commissioner Paul Schnell discussed cooperation between local sheriffs and immigration officials and said that “having judicial orders or detainers or holds that are signed by a judge would address this issue. But, to date, we have not seen a willingness on the part of DHS to pursue those.”
. . .
"... sheriffs are in a very difficult position, because they face legal liability if they hold people beyond their appointed time. And having judicial orders or detainers or holds that are signed by a judge would address this issue."
There's more at the link.
That may be a smokescreen, of course, glossing over the real issue that Minnesota's policy is not to cooperate with Federal authorities over immigration issues, including arrests. However, the question of administrative versus judicial orders or detainers is, I submit, more important than it may seem at first glance.
In criminal law, a warrant is typically required to arrest someone or search their property. These types of warrants must be issued by a judge; thus, they are also known as “judicial warrants.”
A judicial warrant is a document issued by a judge (or magistrate judge) that authorizes law enforcement officers to perform certain actions (like conducting a search, making an arrest, or seizing property). Judicial warrants are typically issued based on probable cause, which means there must be reasonable grounds to believe that a crime has been committed and that the action authorized by the warrant will yield evidence related to that crime. These warrants serve as a safeguard against unreasonable searches and seizures, ensuring that law enforcement actions are conducted within the bounds of the law and respect individuals' constitutional rights.
. . .
An administrative warrant doesn’t need to involve a judge or court at all (though an administrative law judge may review some). Instead, it’s issued by an administrative agency or official, as the name implies.
. . .
Administrative warrants are used for regulatory or administrative purposes, not criminal prosecution. Another difference is that administrative warrants generally have a lower standard than "probable cause,” which is required for judicial warrants. Finally, administrative warrants are based on statutory authority rather than Fourth Amendment requirements (like judicial warrants).
Judicial warrants typically deal with criminal law, whereas administrative warrants typically deal with civil law. That’s part of why the standard for a judicial warrant is higher: life and liberty are on the line. That’s also why judicial warrants will be in the form of either arrest warrants (to apprehend a suspect), search warrants (to search a specific location for evidence of a crime), or seizure warrants (to seize specific property or evidence related to a crime). Judicial warrants are considered more protective of individual rights, as they require a neutral judge's independent review of the evidence and a finding of probable cause.
Again, more at the link.
I can see both sides of this issue. ICE and other federal agencies often try to arrest hundreds, even thousands of people in a given area (a city, a suburb, at an employer's premises, etc.). To get individual judicial warrants against every potential suspect in that area might be so great a burden on their administration that it's effectively impossible. However, that also runs a greater risk that some, at least, of those they arrest might have their civil rights ignored in the process. We've already seen reports of that; for example, US citizens arrested and detained for extended periods (sometimes days or even weeks) until they could prove they were legally resident in this country. ICE and its defenders will protest that they could have produced such proof at any time, but if they were denied access to telephones and other means of communication (a routine occurrence, or so I understand), how were they to ask a family member or other person to deliver such proof? If they lived alone, how could they get such proof from their place(s) of residence when they were detained, preventing them from traveling to their homes?
A judicial warrant demands a higher standard of proof from law enforcement authorities before they can make an arrest. If a suspect's rights are to be restricted or infringed by arresting him/her, a judge or magistrate must confirm that there is enough evidence to justify that interference. The warrant can also be challenged in court, as can the process leading to its being issued. If an officer mistakenly asks for a judicial arrest warrant because he/she had unreliable or insufficient information, that can be held against the officer if it comes out in court. An administrative warrant lacks all such protection - it was (normally) never reviewed by a judge or magistrate before being issued. In so many words, it's nothing more than a bureaucratic rubber stamp.
I'm firmly of the opinion that illegal aliens should be deported, except for genuine, repeat, genuine, verifiable cases where refugee status might be awarded. However, regardless of one's perspective on immigration, I think the use of only administrative warrants for mass arrests is legally questionable, and might become a tool of actual oppression if the "wrong people" issue such warrants without judicial scrutiny. I think ICE may have to reconsider this issue. Certainly, I'll be more comfortable from legal, moral and ethical perspectives if they do.
At the same time, those opposed to enforcing immigration laws will have to accept that it's a federal government issue, not a state or local issue. If they want to protest it, there are legal avenues for them to do so. To physically assault federal officers in the performance of their duties is not one of them; nor is using state and local laws and regulations to obstruct and interfere with their operations. Administrative warrants are too often used as an excuse to disrupt such legitimate law enforcement activities, without examining the rights and wrongs involved.
Peter
The process of the "ICE Detainer" was for local authorities to notify ICE when and where they were releasing the people they wanted, so they could be there to transfer them into custody. It is perfectly understandable if the people were released if ICE wasn't there on time.
ReplyDeleteBut that is not what is happening. And having a judge sign off on a warrant would only work on individual cases. I can't imagine an honest judge signing off on thousands of warrants a day.
> The process of the "ICE Detainer" was for local authorities to notify ICE when and where they were releasing the people they wanted, so they could be there to transfer them into custody. It is perfectly understandable if the people were released if ICE wasn't there on time.
Deletethe trouble is that releases don't happen on a fixed schedule, it is instead 'sometime on this day', should ICE have to hang around all day? (and sometimes release slips a day due to administrative overhead and other things taking priority over processing the release paperwork)
Illegal immigration is considered a civil violation, isn't it? Isn't that what the left was screaming back during the first Trump administration
ReplyDeleteSo ICE should be allowed to use federal immigration judges (who are ALJ's, I believe) to sign off on the warrants, since it seems unlikely that treasonous Minnesota state judges would cooperate.
ReplyDeleteThe warrants could remain administrative, but still signed off by an administrative law judge. Would that satisfy the uncooperative Minnesota law enforcement?
For the last fifty years (at least) a detainer was enough to hold Title 8 apprehensions. INS (pre-ICE) would teletype it over and it would be added to the state penal/vehicle code violations they were held under. (State officers couldn't arrest for US Codes unless specially designated by USGOV to do so). Many state and local jails had "federal beds" - sections of the facility rented/leased/contracted by USGOV to hold people on US Code violations. As I understand it, that is still the case. - Just throwing my cracker in the soup.
ReplyDeleteThe change to immigration under administrative law happened under Clinton. It has been the law for over 30 years, and ICE is bound by the law. They can't just decide to use judicial warrants, even if it were practical.
ReplyDeleteThe first immigration law pass was in 1792. Makes you wonder why in only 16 years as a country they felt the need to pass that law?
ReplyDeleteI believe many of the detainees ALREADY have orders of deportation issued by a judge because they failed to appear at immigration hearings or over stayed their visa.
ReplyDeleteSo I ask, is a warrant NEEDED if a legal and binding order of deportation has been issued by an immigration judge and is applicable?
I think not.
Have a Good Day👋
👽
The business about what paperwork is required in Minnesota is a red herring to detract from the corruption in that state and elsewhere. It is detracting from the fact that illegal aliens are just that -- illegal.
ReplyDeleteThey are jumping to the head of the line instead of following our laws to enter legally. To the best of my knowledge, the the authority and paperwork used for years to detain and deport hasn't been changed by Congress.
Dave
The technicalities don't excuse the total disregard of allowing criminal invaders to be loose in society. In a perfect world, those that are so willing to let their bizarre political position to endanger citizens would be imprisoned.
ReplyDeleteMass remigration is the easy way.
ReplyDeleteCleaner, too.
put arrested protestors into the same cells as ICE detainees, without regard to gender. if a woman protestor complains, offer to
ReplyDeletehouse her with women if she can define a woman.
I don't care.
ReplyDeleteDeport ALL illegals.
Revoke ALL visas.
10 year moratorium on ALL immigration.
What they just don't realize is that ICE and deportation is the moderate solution. I would be tickled pink if the feds just put a $500 bounty on each and every illegal brought in alive. $300 for each dead one. Pick them up, turn them in. No limit. If you bring in someone that is not an illegal, you get fined $100.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
With the endemic corruption and political posturing of the judiciary good luck finding a black robed pirate who would sign such an order... Almost all of them will order the illegal invader released back in too society.
ReplyDeleteCongress opted to have Immigration matters handled by a separate set of courts within the DOJ
ReplyDeleteNow, you can argue that agencies should not have their own Judges and Prosecutors (and I think we should have that discussion), but as long as you allow it and the Immigration Judge has issued a final order saying that the person is to be deported, that is all that is needed.
saying that you need a Judicial Judge in addition to an Immigration Judge is just opening room for activist Judges to interfere and slow the process. What exactly is the Judicial Judge supposed to be doing? second guessing the decisions of the Immigration Judge?
Congress could have set things up differently, but they didn't, and the laws were passed with support from Democrats and Republicans decades ago, so this isn't some strange thing that Trump and his people have invented. They are just enforcing the laws the Democrats and Republicans voted for years ago
Catch 22, and yes, when I worked for the county, they could/did hold people on detainers for the Feds.
ReplyDeleteCharlie (above) raises an interesting point: the Constitution recognizes Letters of Marque for seizing ships at sea; there's no such equivalent for "people on dry land"?
ReplyDeleteWe have "Fugitive Recovery Agents" aka 'modern bounty hunters," who operate on the basis of fugitive warrants. Admittedly, it's a lot of paperwork, but if the fed dot gov were to put a standard bounty, say, $250-400, on illegal aliens (with, as he mentions, a penalty for bringing in the wrong person) I can see a burgeoning cottage industry springing up.
The faster we rid ourselves of the illegals the sooner we lower the cost of fraud and more quickly reveal who in, and what part of, government is making fraud money off the deal. Democrats and Illegals are part and parcel of the same fraud industry.
Judicial warrants are not normally required for immigration enforcement actions:
ReplyDeleteFederal law and the U.S. Supreme Court state the polar opposite because the detention and removal of illegal aliens is commonly a civil matter, not a criminal one:
The federal law that governs the “apprehension and detention of aliens” states that an “alien may be arrested and detained pending a decision on whether the alien is to be removed” on a “warrant issued by the Attorney General,” which is not a judicial warrant but an administrative one.
A 1952 Supreme Court ruling states that “deportation” has “been consistently classified as a civil, rather than a criminal, procedure.”
A 1913 Supreme Court ruling states that “deportation” is not based on the “conviction of crime, nor is the deportation a punishment; it is simply a refusal by the government to harbor persons whom it does not want.”
In keeping with those facts, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers explains, “It is important to keep in mind that the underlying basis for a non-citizen’s removability may be due to some criminal violation, but the removal warrant used by ICE is not a criminal warrant signed by a federal judge.”
Phil K