tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post1137696530086097385..comments2024-03-29T04:31:25.034-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: "So what can I, personally, do about this mess?"Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-50379953715708662882019-11-24T13:29:27.999-06:002019-11-24T13:29:27.999-06:00@McChuck:
I would never have thought CW2 to be a ...@McChuck:<br /><br />I would never have thought CW2 to be a "best case" but you do raise an intriguing point about it - perhaps - being calamitous for us but of benefit to our posterity. Assuming that posterity survives, that is.<br /><br /><br />@Peter:<br /><br />Just FYI, I referenced and quoted this in my latest post:<br /><br />http://redpilljew.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-223-solution.htmlNITZAKHONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04110716447757507226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-38255956639284581762019-11-20T22:22:49.343-06:002019-11-20T22:22:49.343-06:00give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
I ...give them an inch and they'll take a mile.<br /><br />I think there are standards but you have to fight for them<br /><br />We stopped fighting and laid down our arms.<br /><br />Not because they call as white supremicists, but in spite of it. We are aging out and we'll go on to our distant reward but we no longer give a crap about the next generation because they manifestly don't care about ours.<br /><br />What we had was something we all believed in. Nowadays, almost nobody believes in it.<br /><br />Nowadays the pussies want socialism. They haven't actually lived it. They will. As they combine to ban guns and shed the 2nd amendment it will be amusing to see them dying on knives of their fellow muslim travelers. Stay woke.HMS Defianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024721130102173694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-91677417214063398122019-11-20T08:06:19.788-06:002019-11-20T08:06:19.788-06:00Peter,
Nice wish. While you're up, I'd li...Peter,<br /><br />Nice wish. While you're up, I'd like the winning Powerball number, world peace, and a pony.<br /><br />Sane people don't <i>want</i> to "go to the mattresses", but anyone with a lick of sense can tell we're going there, like it or not, and probably sooner (i.e. within our own lifetimes) rather than later.<br />{For reference, Venezuela had a thriving economy and was a leading oil exporter just 20 years ago. Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East in 1974. Things change, and frequently for the worse, when babies get ahold of hand grenades.}<br /><br /><i>Knowing that</i> means that touchy feely solutions are roughly akin to Christians being thrown to the beasts in the Coliseum resolving to taste very bad.<br /><br />The Christians don't win.<br />And the lions don't care.<br /><br />Trying that "get over it, resolve yourself, and learn to deal with it" crap for fifty years, in this country, has gotten us to exactly the point we are. Nobody drew a line for all that time, and the culture, the society, civilization itself, just kept sliding into the black hole.<br /><br />Rethink.<br />Because what cannot continue, will not.<br /><br />Society is on a freight train to a bloodbath.<br />The quickest way to end that would be to surrender up front.<br />But quick isn't the same as <i>best</i>.<br />Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-79141564489646581002019-11-20T00:54:47.007-06:002019-11-20T00:54:47.007-06:00Everything follows its own course: "suchness&...Everything follows its own course: <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tath%C4%81t%C4%81" rel="nofollow">"suchness" or "thusness"</a> describes the state of appropriateness to its time, place and circumstance of every detail in all the multiverses. This does not negate the need or utility of self-effort. But such effort is free of shackles when it is undertaken without emotional attachment to expectations for the outcome, yet with rational planning for anticipated results.Robin Dattahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15358491380192365005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68919927075966409672019-11-19T20:59:36.923-06:002019-11-19T20:59:36.923-06:00Peter,
The elite pedophiles and looters that curr...Peter,<br /><br />The elite pedophiles and looters that currently control this world are bound and determined to genocide the majority of the world's population. Or destroy it through absolute apathetic ineptness. And there's no other nation left to flee to...<br /><br />And you want to invite them or their brainwashed minions for a spot of tea and a nice chat and expect a change of heart or rational discussion? While they mutilate and kill children? While they slowly shut down any dissent? While they steal elections?<br /><br /><br />Chris Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17815496959546126551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-28385728821290799592019-11-19T17:14:44.410-06:002019-11-19T17:14:44.410-06:00Small side issues presented as supporting evidence...Small side issues presented as supporting evidence are open to argument.<br /><br />I'll cheerfully cede that "The Lost Cause" is misleading to the point of being a lie. <br />But for most of the population, that myth was significantly less false than your "incontrovertible" alternative narrative. <br /><br />The antebellum South was semi-feudal and honor-based. It was not paradise, nor even particularly pleasant. <br />That said, neither were the people of the Confederacy notably evil and depraved. They were not some monolithic caricature of evil. <br />The people of the Confederacy were individual people, and they largely supported secession for their own individual reasons. <br />For some, this included slavery. For most, it was other considerations, including the idealism of the soon-to-be "Lost Cause". <br />The simple fact is that most people in the Confederacy didn't own slaves, and didn't receive much benefit from the "peculiar institution". Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12822511906907583597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-75905915023974213032019-11-19T17:06:37.532-06:002019-11-19T17:06:37.532-06:00I'd like to propose a value which you implied,...I'd like to propose a value which you implied, but didn't spell out: Empathy.<br /><br />What I'm going to say applies to all sides--Left, Right, Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian. We demonize the opposition. It's not something that only one side is doing. Liberals are libtards, snowflakes, and communists. Conservatives are racists, homophobes, and fascists. Most of us understand that this isn't true, but we've become so polarized that we are beginning to lose sight of the fact that "They" are human beings--fellow souls. If we can't put ourselves in each others' places and see their values, we can't reach an accord. <br /><br />Note that I don't say a compromise. I'm a 2nd Amendment voter, and I don't want to lose any more rights. As a Californian I get that far better than most. But my support of gun rights doesn't mean I'm callous or in favor of the mass shootings we see in schools There isn't anyone I know who supports MORE school shootings. One side might blame toxic masculinity and racial hatred, while the other decries the loss of traditional values, but most reasonable people understand that a change or loss of cultural/ethical values is at the base. We agree on the root problem, if not the specifics or the solutions.<br /><br />"Love thy neighbor as thyself". Empathy. Understand that people are complex and multilayered. I used to be an antigun liberal. I also used to be more religious and traditional. The usual Left vs Right rhetoric would say that conservatives are G-d fearing and liberals are atheists (or polythists). Here I am, neither. Most liberal Jews can understand why a religious or cultural minority believes disarmament could lead to genocide. Most conservative Christians can understand why gun prohibition might seem a viable solution--after all, it works in Europe! But without empathy, without understanding why "They" think that way, and without acknowledging that their fears are legitimate (which is not the same as true)--without that, it's easy to turn the Other into one dimensional caricatures of people.<br /><br />I acknowledge we aren't going to get everybody. Antifa and the Minutemen aren't just extreme opposites of each other, but extremists; neither envisions an America at all like what the Founders wanted, and not one where dissent can exist. But if the rest of us can realize that we are all human and deserving of respect, then there is hope for the fractiously-designed Republic we all share.<br />Antibubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10194983440707702769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-58201611932981782152019-11-19T16:41:57.268-06:002019-11-19T16:41:57.268-06:00Yes, I'm afraid Peter's moral high ground ...Yes, I'm afraid Peter's moral high ground would just be taken as proof of just what an odious person he is in the eyes of too many on the left. Not all, or even most if one is able to engage them for very long, but I'm getting a bit depressed about that based upon personal experiences. :(Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68228120387192525342019-11-19T16:37:54.460-06:002019-11-19T16:37:54.460-06:00so there had to be other issues or the South was i...<i>so there had to be other issues or the South was incredibly foolish.</i><br />Don't forget the unifying power of 'and'. That's a distinct possibility (one I find likely).Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-78521906292862282252019-11-19T16:30:02.024-06:002019-11-19T16:30:02.024-06:00Mr. Grant,
You ask "...how can we claim the ...Mr. Grant,<br /><br />You ask "...how can we claim the moral high ground?"<br /><br />First, since it (moral high ground) is something you are positing as a "good" thing to do, you must define your terms. It is not possible to use a lever without a fulcrum, and there is no such thing as "moral" absent a hard and fast immutable standard upon which "moral" and every other appeal to right and wrong must be measured against.<br /><br />The shorter version is "by whose/what standard"?<br /><br />Any attempt at reason must first start with presuppositional positions. Either their is such a thing as objective good and evil, or there is not. If there is not, all arguments are moot. <br /><br />If good and evil exists, It cannot be cultural, local or subjective. If it exists is objective, universal, immutable and creational. Without said attributes, it cannot have any genuine authority to dictate a "should" or should not".<br /><br />You cannot have it both ways; either there is a standard that applies to all, or their is no standard whatsoever.BFRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09446254517738219155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-45987723741712049522019-11-19T16:25:06.998-06:002019-11-19T16:25:06.998-06:00There were no Federal taxes on exports. Period.There were no Federal taxes on exports. Period.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-73662576121354314842019-11-19T14:55:08.416-06:002019-11-19T14:55:08.416-06:00The situation is very simple.
1. Our opponents mea...The situation is very simple.<br />1. Our opponents mean to exterminate us and our culture.<br />2. Our opponents use "legal" means through the current corrupt government bureaucracy to accomplish #1.<br />3. We will never be able to win another election once the Democrats get a few million more immigrants into our country using #2.<br />4. The Republicans work hand in hand with the Democrats to accomplish #3.<br />5. There is no voting our way out of this.<br />6. This ends in the utter destruction of our culture and our lives.<br />7. "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."<br /><br />When I say there will be a civil war, tens of millions will die, and more will be displaced, that is not an <i>aspiration</i>. It is a <b>prediction</b>. And it is the <i>best case scenario</i> for the long term health of our nation. We are <i>expendable</i>, as long as our children and our culture survives and thrives.McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243337792601085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-17289283813538797502019-11-19T12:54:58.961-06:002019-11-19T12:54:58.961-06:00JaimeInTexas - I think keeping slavery in states t...JaimeInTexas - I think keeping slavery in states that had it slavery was a big part of the problems that led to the US civil war, the North with the Corwin Amendment you mentioned was willing to surrender on the existence of slavery issue. They would not promise to allow the expansion of slavery to new states though.<br /><br />Even with the "keep what you have" deal on the table the South still seceded so there had to be other issues or the South was incredibly foolish.<br /><br />Stan_qazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16177236446865672828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-66496361441864993402019-11-19T12:43:02.783-06:002019-11-19T12:43:02.783-06:00Sounds like what your describing is what the Tea P...Sounds like what your describing is what the Tea Party was.<br /><br />Which both political parties united to successfully destroy.<br /><br />Which lead to Trump.<br /><br />Living in So California, I'm very negative about the economic future here. The continued ideological brainwashing in the public K-12 and Elite Schools, scares me. The Resistance is a natural outgrowth of that. From what I can see, Trump is nibbling around the edges on this culture war.<br /><br />On South Africa, my SWAG, it's gone back to Tribalism with all the corruption that destroys economies, with a bit of socialism tossed in. It's a cultural issue, and culture is very powerful and hard to change. <br /><br />I don't see much hope, unfortunately.Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-63222168721255795792019-11-19T12:06:38.775-06:002019-11-19T12:06:38.775-06:00"Our opponents" have certainly defined e..."Our opponents" have certainly defined extremism, liberty, vice, moderation, virtue, etc.<br /><br />The question posed as "If we define it, what happens when our opponents do?" had been answered. <br /><br />The moral judgment of "We should not define it otherwise our opponents will have a moral position to define it themselves" is to cede that you have no standing to make a moral statement or have the higher moral ground.<br /><br />Therefore, the opponents defined the terms and have (apparently) the higher moral ground. <br /><br />Those positions are in fact evil, and evidence to that fact has been rapidly accumulating. There will be a destructive cycle, as has been the case in all of human history.<br /><br />A question should therefore be asked: If "we" had defined those terms and stood firm in them, would the current situation exist?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />7916https://www.blogger.com/profile/01881208775905627898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-548955057502649062019-11-19T11:46:52.210-06:002019-11-19T11:46:52.210-06:00When in the course of human events does it become ...When in the course of human events <i>does</i> it become necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another?<br />Peter Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15122781534685443942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-37447042239843071072019-11-19T11:41:34.631-06:002019-11-19T11:41:34.631-06:00Folks, please, let's not get side-tracked into...Folks, please, let's not get side-tracked into arguments about the causes and consequences of the American Civil War. That was a small side issue in the overall essay above.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-9059985848803515462019-11-19T11:21:39.308-06:002019-11-19T11:21:39.308-06:001)I have.
2)I assume you mean, "I understand ...1)I have.<br />2)I assume you mean, "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution--which amendment, however, I have not seen--has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable."<br /><br />3) Preservation of the union, first and foremost, and the lack of need of violence to settle issues such as whether slavery should be protected or illegal in the territories (not existing states).<br /><br />BTW, do you disagree that slavery was the prime, but not only issue? Because that's what Peter actually wrote. Tariffs were also a bone of contention, but unlike slavery, apparently not important enough to specifically mention in any of the articles of secession, quite unlike slavery.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-47992897547995514032019-11-19T11:14:43.260-06:002019-11-19T11:14:43.260-06:00I have to take issue with your assessment of the A...I have to take issue with your assessment of the American Civil War. <br /><br />You are correct that for the Planter class, secession was about slavery.<br />But the Planter class only comprised a few percentage points of the population. <br />If that. <br />(But of course politicians curried favor from the individuals with the most money and prestigious surnames.)<br /><br />For the merchant class, it was about tariffs and excise duties. The taxes levied against cotton and tobacco comprised around 90% (+/- 5% depending on source) of the federal government's income. They comprised a much larger percentage of society, and legitimately felt a lot of hostility towards the federal government, and antipathy towards the states they saw as freeloading. But about slavery, they really didn't much care. <br /><br />When you start talking about the yeoman and artisan classes it starts getting complicated, but (outside of certain regions) secession was broadly popular. You wouldn't, for example, expect a blacksmith to be a fan of the industrial revolution and mass-produced metalwork. Or a farmer to be a fan of the centralization and urbanization taking place outside of Dixie. Slavery wasn't really much of an issue to them. Greatly oversimplifying, they saw their way of life as under external threat, and they did not le it. <br /><br />Then you hit the lower classes, where things get positively messy. In *very* general terms, they had to compete against the "free" labor of slaves to earn their livelihood, but they also gained relative status from the plight of the slaves. They did actually care about slavery, but it was an ambivalent sort of caring. Especially since debt forcing men into terms of indenture was a large and obvious potential threat to them. Especially so, if the Planters suddenly found a significant part of their workforce gone. <br /><br />Fire-Eaters were common in all classes (except maybe the lowest, but it's really hard to say for sure in that respect).<br />Secession was supported by most of the population. <br />But to most, slavery was a fringe issue that did not directly affect them. <br /><br />Was slavery a central motivation for Jefferson Davis? Absolutely. <br />Was it for Robert Toombs? Eh... Maybe? Possibly? Perhaps?<br />Was it for Patrick Cleburne? Definitely not.<br />Your average butternut wearing Jonny Reb? No.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12822511906907583597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-78606380952367699012019-11-19T10:57:46.227-06:002019-11-19T10:57:46.227-06:00@Jaime: As I've said more than once in the pa...@Jaime: As I've said more than once in the past, I left South Africa because I was burned out after 18 years of rolling civil unrest, and burying 27 dead friends. It wasn't for political reasons: it was because if I stayed, I reckoned I'd be dead of the stress within another year or two. I think I can place much of the blame for my present heart problems on those years.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-81115847177034100262019-11-19T10:22:55.210-06:002019-11-19T10:22:55.210-06:00I've come to the conclusion that this is funda...I've come to the conclusion that this is fundamentally a spiritual battle. At the risk of oversimplifying, the solution to many of the ills that plague our society begins with going back to church. We live in a society that doesn't do justly, love mercy, or walk humbly with God. The leftists say we need a Revolution. They are wrong. The right wing says we need the Republic back. I used to agree with them, but I've concluded since that it's more complicated than that. We need revival, and the restoration of Christendom. Conservatism that only fights a delaying action against the debauchery and dissipation of "progress" is not nearly good enough. We must have Christendom back. That begins at church, and therefore simultaneouls at home, because the family is the nucleus of the Church.<br /><br />A Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288199981382663362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-87114394356565101312019-11-19T09:35:26.955-06:002019-11-19T09:35:26.955-06:00You left S Africa. That is how you solved your iss...You left S Africa. That is how you solved your issue.<br /><br />As to the "Lost Cause Myth." There were no other issues? Slavery was the hot issue but what were the political/Constitutional under pining the issue? have you read Lincoln's 1st Inaugural Speech? What was the Corwin Amendment, referenced in the speech? What were the 2 main goals in the speech?<br />JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14184733565429489212019-11-19T08:28:47.575-06:002019-11-19T08:28:47.575-06:00I, for one, find your essay entirely satisfactory....I, for one, find your essay entirely satisfactory. Well done. I don’t agree with every jot and tittle, but I don’t EXPECT to.<br /><br />C. S. P. Schofieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18307088118631856756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-35315535008437814472019-11-19T07:25:05.500-06:002019-11-19T07:25:05.500-06:00good Christian response. Liked it. Folks who thi...good Christian response. Liked it. Folks who think a civil war would solve things have failed to look at such conflicts do not solve any issue unless:<br /><br />1) the war is between proxy armies that represent élite battles. The common folks have little stake in it (like the English civil war (1649) or the war of the roses (1470s or the barons revolt (1215)) <br /><br />2) one side is utterly destroyed (physically)<br /><br />3) one sides morality,(or at least their own perception of their morality) is destroyed in the conflict.<br /><br />Else you end up with a long simmering conflict that is multigenerational.<br /><br />a few examples:<br /><br />UK take over of Canada in 1759, the defeated French still are not all that happy with the result, 260 years (13 generations) later.<br /><br />The 1795 take over of Poland: eliminated as a nation for 121 years, they never gave up their identity and fundamental wish to rule themselves.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09340502293327018910noreply@blogger.com