tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post1308091597105998096..comments2024-03-18T23:21:40.731-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: .22LR as a defensive roundPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-91201167000890187262020-10-11T19:06:08.064-05:002020-10-11T19:06:08.064-05:00An Ohio gun trainer, Greg Ellifritz has a wonderfu...An Ohio gun trainer, Greg Ellifritz has a wonderful article titled, "An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" where he tallies the results of a decades worth of shootings. <br /><br />My conclusion after plugging the data into a spreadsheet and digesting the numbers is that the 22 rimfire is actually competitive with larger and more powerful cartridges. I now carry a Taurus PT-22 Poly in a pocket holster as my concealed carry gun. <br /><br />More to the point I might add that I made an amazing discovery as a rural police officer. Did you know that criminals do not like to be shot and will go looking for easier pickings when they discover a potential victim is armed? A 22is still a gun.Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09512155016462081947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-82891599682899928852020-07-01T20:43:25.951-05:002020-07-01T20:43:25.951-05:00Howling with laughter... The best gun in a fight i...Howling with laughter... The best gun in a fight is the one you have. Training is essential. But having a firearm and the willingness to use it in self defense are the first two ingredients. And they are essential...FredLewershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221076803807309775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-30348623206622321822018-07-25T12:49:59.412-05:002018-07-25T12:49:59.412-05:00I am a fan of 22lr. Doesnt matter what i get shot ...I am a fan of 22lr. Doesnt matter what i get shot with its gonna ruin my day.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14373679609930749034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14102889583431739142018-05-07T11:58:50.751-05:002018-05-07T11:58:50.751-05:00Just added a pretty wordy reply and got the messag...Just added a pretty wordy reply and got the message your site refuses to display my content. Very disappointing.Glenn Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16677859688487279914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-83199131698808134462018-04-05T10:35:17.420-05:002018-04-05T10:35:17.420-05:00I have heard in the past that a 22lr will basicall...I have heard in the past that a 22lr will basically turn the brain to mush as it ricochets off the back of the skull from a frontal triangle shot (eyes/nose).<br /><br />You said several of your students successfully defended themselves with such shots. Did the attackers survive?PJW Genthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454978690536927591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68039417125538166262018-02-05T18:44:02.924-06:002018-02-05T18:44:02.924-06:00Thirty-*cough* years ago, I brought some classmate...Thirty-*cough* years ago, I brought some classmates to the local municipal outdoor range with me for an afternoon's delight of plinking. After running a couple of magazines through my Jennings J-22, one of the fellas scoffed, "Man, you can't hit the broad side of a barn with that thing!" Granted, at 25 ft. the spread was a little 'bigger than a breadbox', but I cleared the weapon walked down range to retrieve the target and backing, came back and placed it over my torso. Every shot was within my body's silhouette. Loudmouth got *very* quiet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-26320109307801853542017-01-14T18:19:38.708-06:002017-01-14T18:19:38.708-06:00@Greg: A lot depends on what you want to do with ...@Greg: A lot depends on what you want to do with it. I insist on reliability as a primary consideration in any firearm that might be needed for defensive purposes. If it won't go BANG! each and every time I want it to, it's not suitable for purpose.<br /><br />That said, right now, for backpacking purposes, I'd go for a Ruger LCR snubnose revolver with a Crimson Trace grip. See http://ruger.com/products/lcr/specSheets/5410.html for details. It's lightweight (about a pound, fully loaded), of proven reliability, and accurate enough at short to medium handgun ranges. It gives you 8 rounds of ammo on tap, which should be enough for most purposes. It's also compact enough to carry in a pocket of your trousers or shorts, or an outer pocket of a backpack (although you won't be able to get to it in a hurry there).<br /><br />For a pistol, rather than a revolver, I'd choose the new Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Lite. It's heavier and larger than the LCR, but Ruger Mark I/II/III rimfire autopistols have an enviable reputation for reliability, which I'm sure the Mark IV will continue. That makes its larger size and greater weight worthwhile to me.<br /><br />I hope that helps.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-50143803937118287812017-01-14T17:51:10.827-06:002017-01-14T17:51:10.827-06:00Peter, What do you think the lightest weight 22lr ...Peter, What do you think the lightest weight 22lr hand gun with crimson trace is? <br /><br />I'm a backpacker, and us backpacker really work hard to reduce the weight of our packs<br /><br />We are called "gram weenies" due to our obsession at weight reduction of our packs. <br /><br />GregAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-50623221959078093762016-12-03T11:34:16.311-06:002016-12-03T11:34:16.311-06:00I am late to the party here, but will add that Bob...I am late to the party here, but will add that Bobbie Kennedy was killed with a .22 and last time I checked he was still dead. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-41516082031904185702016-07-04T19:48:20.990-05:002016-07-04T19:48:20.990-05:00I recall reading in Outdoor Life, during another c...I recall reading in Outdoor Life, during another century, about an old woman in Canada that killed the last known Plains Grizzly.<br />She was running her trap line when she came face to maw on the trail with the griz. <br />She shot it in the corner of its eye with her single-shot .22.<br />Shot placement is everything.waepnedmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07114411043832799988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-90658344627627259682016-06-03T08:42:38.465-05:002016-06-03T08:42:38.465-05:00@Bibliotheca Servare: If you haven't had any ...@Bibliotheca Servare: If you haven't had any basic training at all, I highly recommend something like the NRA's Basic Handgun or Basic Rifle course (depending on what you plan to shoot). There should be one offered near you: look up NRA courses at the NRA's Web site, or check with shooting ranges close to you.<br /><br />If you can't get to such a course, consider the training videos available on YouTube. Many are junk, but others are pretty good. For example, try these:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cvir1CgWd4<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSazF41q-s<br /><br />There are lots of others, but either of those two (or both) are good places to start.<br /><br />Good luck!<br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-51236037610679323562016-06-03T08:22:55.026-05:002016-06-03T08:22:55.026-05:00So if a person is not yet proficient at "keep...So if a person is not yet proficient at "keeping all [their] shots from a handgun inside a 6" circle at a range of 20-25 yards, firing slowly and deliberately." Would you recommend starting by just setting up a decent sized paper target with a six inch circle marked out on it, about 20-25 yards away? Or would it be better to start with a larger circle and work down? Asking for a friend, of course...*embarrassed coughing* The pellet rifle is a single shot, spring piston type...it's a very nice air rifle (.177 pellets) -though getting the pellets to seat is kind of a pain in the neck with the tight rifling...but that's a separate issue- but I *ahem* my "friend" wasn't sure if having to change my...his...shooting position with every shot was sabotaging "his" efforts to develop accuracy. But part of me thinks it's a good skill to develop...but yet another part thinks it's an unnecessary added frustration... I'll stop now, heh. God bless! :-) Bibliotheca Servarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11643412827583261562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-18653076132630755942016-04-29T23:20:30.944-05:002016-04-29T23:20:30.944-05:00I'm surprised no one mentioned the Kel-Tec PMR...I'm surprised no one mentioned the Kel-Tec PMR-30. .22 Magnum provides excellent penetration (better than 9mm and .357 Magnum in some cases), and has almost as little recoil as .22 LR. <br /><br />30 rounds in a pistol that weighs less than a pound, empty (I think it weighs 19 ounces with a full magazine), with better penetration than the .22LR, could be a great choice for those who are recoil sensitive. Just as the FBI is recommending 9mm for their agents and other law enforcement officers due to the lighter recoil and potential for better accuracy for agents who have difficulty controlling pistols with the larger calibers, a .22 Magnum could provide better accuracy for smaller, recoil sensitive shooters too.Reg Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14099612693763932005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-88243447923017853812016-03-29T21:02:39.811-05:002016-03-29T21:02:39.811-05:00@Andy: It's usable. I'd prefer something...@Andy: It's usable. I'd prefer something with greater diameter, but the little Tokarev has quite a track record, particularly when several rounds are used.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-71456891667660908792016-03-29T19:14:55.849-05:002016-03-29T19:14:55.849-05:00What`s your opinion on the 7.62x25mm Tokarev round...What`s your opinion on the 7.62x25mm Tokarev round as a defensive cartridge?andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16072618582583093590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-57952955402627039782015-09-21T21:12:57.614-05:002015-09-21T21:12:57.614-05:00As a comment, I taught firearms safety for the sta...As a comment, I taught firearms safety for the state of Arizona, one of our demo's was shooting a potato with a .22, that simulates a large muscle being hit, it blows it to pieces, I agree that the .22 is a great defensive weapon. I like your training exercises, and the use of BB guns for training. Thanks for the information, I'm going to use BB guns for training of my family and friends...Olafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-8876467105246207532014-12-05T00:12:47.777-06:002014-12-05T00:12:47.777-06:00Shot placement is the biggest part.And the comment...Shot placement is the biggest part.And the comment from Anonymous Rich above is the truth. Put it in the orbital socket, and you rock it.cmblake6https://www.blogger.com/profile/02044180267336342019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-5009986774642709642014-04-17T19:46:44.862-05:002014-04-17T19:46:44.862-05:00Jeff once said, I think the .22 LR would be a fine...Jeff once said, I think the .22 LR would be a fine defensive round as long as you can hit a postage stamp every time at ____ feet. I don't remember the exact distance that he stated but you get the point. Your teachings have inspired me to park the .45 for a while and improve marksmanship with your techniques.<br /><br />Thank you,<br />RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-30213628769610820212014-02-17T11:05:08.569-06:002014-02-17T11:05:08.569-06:00To preface this, I would love to try it! I've...To preface this, I would love to try it! I've never seen it done with hollow points. I have seen it done with rifles. <br /><br />A buddy of mine shot some golf balls with a .308 a few years ago, and, IIRC it was surprisingly unspectacular. We thought they were going to go off like rockets, but they stayed in the berm area. The entrance holes were practically invisible and, while I don't specifically recall the exit holes, I don't think there was much there either - some chipping of the plastic shell.<br /><br />After reading your comment last night, I took a look on youtube, and found a video with a guy shooting a golf ball with a SKS. he got the same thing - a small hole and significant but unspectacular movement.<br /><br />I suspect ping pong balls will also be unspectacular, simply because there's not enough substance there to have much energy imparted to it. I hope I'm wrong, though.<br /><br />About 20 years ago, my then GF was a photographer. She wanted to do a photo essay that included, among other things, (cheap knockoff) Barbie dolls being shot. So, we loaded up the kitchen sink and took it all to the range. We were thoroughly disappointed. We didn't get any shattering at all. We just got small holes with slight lead smears (.22 and 9mm FMJ IIRC). In the end, we used a 12g with bird shot, which proved satisfactory, but only at close range. :)Richnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-22898712960437055482014-02-16T19:45:31.718-06:002014-02-16T19:45:31.718-06:00@Rich: Thanks for the kind words. Glad I could h...@Rich: Thanks for the kind words. Glad I could help.<br /><br />I'd like to know how a practice golf ball or ping-pong ball reacts to being hit with a high-velocity hollowpoint from a major-caliber pistol. I think it'll either be obliterated, or attain low earth orbit!<br /><br />:-)<br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-4246978151701193592014-02-16T18:50:29.974-06:002014-02-16T18:50:29.974-06:00Thank you. I owe you ... bigtime.
I've bee...Thank you. I owe you ... bigtime. <br /><br />I've been looking for a way to (1) train affordably); (2) incorporate moving targets; and (3) get my partner any myself the substantial amount of "hands on" time we need.<br /><br />You've answered all three needs in one blog post. <br /><br />Even after 20 years of concealed carry, and 20 years of practice, I know I could benefit a LOT from your suggestions, and my partner, being a beginning shooter, needs them even more. She is enthusiastic, but far from instinctive at this point.<br /><br />If you are ever going to be in northern New England - post it. We would be honored to treat you and Miss. D. to dinner.<br /><br />Rich S.Richnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-91629135830594823332014-02-16T09:09:08.717-06:002014-02-16T09:09:08.717-06:00@STxRynn: Unfortunately not in a public forum, du...@STxRynn: Unfortunately not in a public forum, due to obvious reasons of privacy. If we ever get together over a beer . . .Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-36062402011860978832014-02-16T08:55:28.174-06:002014-02-16T08:55:28.174-06:00Is there any chance to review the after action rep...Is there any chance to review the after action reports of the three instances you mention?STxRynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-81715406662929752162014-02-15T19:51:26.849-06:002014-02-15T19:51:26.849-06:00Well, I have several 22's and if I need to poc...Well, I have several 22's and if I need to pocket carry the PT-22 gets the nod. I have concealable guns chambered to 22, 380 and 9mm but I am most accurate with the 22. <br /><br />I thought I had read once back in the 60's about a guy who took every big game animal on the north American continent with a 22. <br /><br />Maybe I ought to look for that article.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708868713277676628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-43018077113001652292014-02-15T19:27:01.918-06:002014-02-15T19:27:01.918-06:00As Mad Jack stated, one shouldn't denigrate .2...As Mad Jack stated, one shouldn't denigrate .22lr effectiveness simply because they think it's "too small". I get shit from people for carrying a KelTec P32 all the time. I simply tell them <br /><br />"hey, I can put all 8 rounds from this on a 3x5 card at 15 yards while someone throws tennis balls and firecrackers at me, in less than 5 seconds. Let me shoot you with it, then you tell me <br />how ineffective it is."<br /><br />/elitismB5Knoreply@blogger.com