tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post2054793500196903744..comments2024-03-28T03:06:18.182-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: A re-evaluation of the pocket pistolPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-26266132285106659442015-12-15T16:13:12.309-06:002015-12-15T16:13:12.309-06:00@c w swanson: Yes, the new 9mm. ammo performs ver...@c w swanson: Yes, the new 9mm. ammo performs very well indeed - that's why I carry it with confidence, as I've mentioned before.<br /><br />The critical difference is between ammunition performance as a <i>wounding</i> object and its performance as a <i>stopping</i> object. The momentum factor comes into play here. It remains true that a bigger, heavier bullet, carrying more momentum, penetrates deeper and has more of a "slamming" effect than a smaller, lighter bullet, even though both may be comparable in their wounding effect. At very close range, or in an unexpected attack where you don't have much time to react or respond, that "slamming" effect can make the difference between survival and the alternative. That's where the bigger, heavier round can still outshine the smaller one, and that's why I'm moving back to .45 ACP for my pocket pistols. I'd feel just as comfortable with 9mm. in its modern versions, except for the absence of size, weight and momentum, where the older, slower .45 still shines.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-59847016008408840592015-12-15T15:05:46.254-06:002015-12-15T15:05:46.254-06:00Things I've heard:
The new ammo in 9mm, like ...Things I've heard:<br /><br />The new ammo in 9mm, like Hornady's Critical Defense, performs as well as .45acp. No idea if it's true.<br /><br />ER doctors hate dealing with gunshot rounds from the small stuff, like .32acp or 380, because it tends to bounce around inside the body and damage multiple organs. <br /><br />Shot placement trumps caliber.c w swansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02735507642689652780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-53464559225105896952015-12-14T20:46:24.753-06:002015-12-14T20:46:24.753-06:00I've been using a P3AT for several years now. ...I've been using a P3AT for several years now. I carry it in a home made flat shoulder-holster completely enclosed. <br />'Course back when I bought it I also scored a 1000 rounds of flat-tip exposed lead Spanish subgun ammo in .380(for use in their MAC-12 subguns apparently). And another 1000 rounds of Dynamite-Nobel .380 HP. <br />Both work well in my KelTec and also in my STAR Model D. Don't know about other .380s. But I feel confident that a wrong-doer would probably lose interest in his wrong-doing upon encountering seven of these in an alternating pattern grouped around his nether regions...<br />But the gun - equipped with laser - is definitely a belly gun in the true meaning of the word. 0007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-80425740049668410432015-12-14T17:56:46.453-06:002015-12-14T17:56:46.453-06:00One of the better comparisons of different caliber...One of the better comparisons of different calibers I've ever seen. Nay-sayers are hard to convince and it is hard to get volunteers to prove to the nay-sayers that it might be so.Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13632044081226105581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-23087648440835534392015-12-14T17:43:47.651-06:002015-12-14T17:43:47.651-06:00@Sport Pilot: Yes, I have the 3.3" XDS .45. ...@Sport Pilot: Yes, I have the 3.3" XDS .45. I prefer that barrel length precisely because I pocket-carry it. However, I've shot the 4" model as well, and like it very much. I think you'll enjoy it.<br /><br />If you plan to dispose of your 3.3" XDS in 9mm, please contact me before I leave for Texas! I'll gladly trade for it or buy it from you. It's a useful training gun to go with the .45 version.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-74718645442697037162015-12-14T17:12:56.839-06:002015-12-14T17:12:56.839-06:00Peter, I'm currently using a 3.3" XDs9 bu...Peter, I'm currently using a 3.3" XDs9 but am very interested in the 4" XDs45. I'll probably be purchasing one fairly soon. Is your XDs45 the 3.3" barrel version? Sport Pilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04862280966739841769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68371874488523424752015-12-14T14:13:04.515-06:002015-12-14T14:13:04.515-06:00The Boberg XR9 and XR45 are interesting choices fo...The Boberg XR9 and XR45 are interesting choices for pocket pistols as well. They are pocket pistols with an interesting loading mechanism that allows much longer barrel lengths than you would expect for such a tiny gun.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00192121247584828848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-89050255687748006642015-12-14T08:31:55.691-06:002015-12-14T08:31:55.691-06:00As Larry Vickers says, Shoot them in the face!
I ...As Larry Vickers says, Shoot them in the face!<br /><br />I jump between, S&W642 and G-26. <br /><br /><br />GerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-72233426827425211402015-12-14T08:30:44.161-06:002015-12-14T08:30:44.161-06:00I just bought my Christmas present SIG Sauer P250 ...I just bought my Christmas present SIG Sauer P250 Compact 45 with a small grip frame and is 9+1 shots and 3.9 inch barrel. It has a longish DAO pull like a Ruger LCR but I believe is better and lighter. I shoot more DA revolver so I hope the transition is easy. I have yet to shoot it. If it shoots well it will become my EDC. You can find these retail at 400.00 most often in 9mm. For about 100.00 one can buy the a sub-compact grip frame and magazine (6+1) and cut off 2.5oz of weight and about .5 inch of frame height. Basically the difference is pinky or no pinky. The P250 Subcompact in either 9mm (12rnds), 40S&W (10rnds) or 45acp (6rnds) is 3.6 inch barrel, 6.7inch long, 4.7inch height, 1.06 width, 25oz weight. Made in USA <br />DAO pull is listed at 5.5 to 6.5 lbs. This seems right to me and has been consistent from example to example. Nope, don't work for them and is my one and only SIG. I had a P220 years ago that I hated. The P250 is a different animal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-6683904066475445702015-12-14T07:18:45.707-06:002015-12-14T07:18:45.707-06:00My brother Big Mike bought an LCP and likes it. I...My brother Big Mike bought an LCP and likes it. If you're so inclined, you can read my extended range report about the LCP <a href="http://madjackshack.blogspot.com/2011/03/range-report-ruger-lcp.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Basically, it's small and kicks like a mule, but it's a whole lot better than nothing. I was able to hit stuff with it.Mad Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06190137186843630543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-25623515440204989492015-12-14T05:10:32.434-06:002015-12-14T05:10:32.434-06:00I tested a Ruger LCP yesterday with both Remington...I tested a Ruger LCP yesterday with both Remington 95 gr FMJ and the new Polycase Inceptor rounds. A few friends including some women joined in the test.<br /><br />The Polycase ammo was considered about 20% lower recoil than the lead bullet. A decent improvement for those who are sensitive to recoil. In a decent compact pistol such as an LC380 or a G43, I recommend it highly.<br /><br />Either way the LCP was a thoroughly unpleasant gun to shoot. Poor sights, long, heavy trigger pull, and zero mass to resist recoil all contributed to the negative impression. Recoil from the Remington actually stung the hand. Recoil from the Polycase did not sting, but definitely snapped the gun well off target. I highly recommend going to at least the LC380 or G43, or Kahr CW, if one wants a single-stack, subcompact pistol.Contrarian Viewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-26795604879186685302015-12-14T04:43:07.993-06:002015-12-14T04:43:07.993-06:00Long discontinued, the Star PD .45ACP is a compact...Long discontinued, the Star PD .45ACP is a compact 6 shot pistol that flat out works. A little larger than the pocket gun but smaller than the full size - just a great carry gun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-58079239287875361202015-12-14T01:21:36.402-06:002015-12-14T01:21:36.402-06:00Forgot to add:
Any pistol I can legally buy has a...Forgot to add:<br /><br />Any pistol I can legally buy has a barrel longer than 120mm (about 5").<br /><br />Concealable pocket pistols are simply not available in the legal civilian market.Sendariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13286039362709773644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-52931312537728714292015-12-13T22:28:03.391-06:002015-12-13T22:28:03.391-06:00I never recommend a pocket semi auto as a first pi...I never recommend a pocket semi auto as a first pistol.<br />They are hard to control, and with the blowback .32 and .380s are notorious for failure to feed, fire, or eject from a limp wrist grip.<br />that said, and gun is better than no gun, and their one saving grace is concealability. <br />I'm partial to the Kel-Tec P3AT myself, same form factor as the Ruger LCP.<br />Sole purpose is up close self defense and to buy time to reach my .45acp or long arm.Uncle Larhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04008207593205949098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-11088521092149504632015-12-13T22:18:29.291-06:002015-12-13T22:18:29.291-06:00My wife, thinking much the same thoughts, bought a...My wife, thinking much the same thoughts, bought a Sig P-938 this weekend to replace the Firestorm .380 she's been hauling around. 7+1 of 9mm in 16 oz pistol. Shermhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07098953206824247173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-17806610162310376992015-12-13T22:17:30.137-06:002015-12-13T22:17:30.137-06:00Here in Oz, I can't buy a handgun in .45 unles...Here in Oz, I can't buy a handgun in .45 unless I join a club shooting Cowboy Action or Metallic Silhouette. <br /><br />For me that would be a burden of 4 weekends a year shooting a sport I don't much like to satisfy the "for competition purposes" restriction. If I were not already competing in IPSC it would be 6 weekends.<br /><br />That leaves me with a competition model (read "long slide") Glock in 9mm or an STI Edge in .38 Super as a possible (but illegal) carry piece. Both are limited to 10 round magazines.<br /><br />Neither is particularly concealable, but for me 10 rounds of hot-loaded .38 Super trumps 10 rounds of 9mm of any persuasion. The projectile is the same, but the Edge sends it Express Post.Sendariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13286039362709773644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-23102029204095969872015-12-13T21:59:59.712-06:002015-12-13T21:59:59.712-06:00I carried a Glock G21 concealed in a shoulder hols...I carried a Glock G21 concealed in a shoulder holster daily for close to 15 years. Only in the hottest weather when a thin t shirt was necessary did I switch to a pocket pistol. I have a large frame and tend to wear my clothing loose and in layers which helps to hide a large gun. A .45 glock is large and with +2 baseplates on the gun mag and two +2 spares it makes a large package and a heavy one. 46 rounds of .45 acp is heavy itself let alone the gun, mags and holster. I carry a Sig 226 9mm in the same set-up and it feels substantially lighter even with full metal gun and 20 rd mags. My next shoulder carry gun is gonna be a G20 10mm. Because glock. Because 10mm.<br /><br />I've got large hands and I hate shooting pocket guns. I've got a G30 for when I absolutely can't hide a shoulder rig. I do like the ability to have hand on pistol in threatening situation though which usually isn't possible with my shoulder rig without crossed arms and a cover garment. That G21 was heavy and it took dedication to wear every day especially in the beginning but it sure felt reassuring when the hair stood up on the back of the neck or danger presented itself. I never felt undergunned even when I was once facing multiple potential attackers some of whom were likely armed in some capacity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-9447477808948727252015-12-13T21:31:03.087-06:002015-12-13T21:31:03.087-06:00Peter, the most current data I have heard from peo...Peter, the most current data I have heard from people "in the business"(<br />the business of delivering damage to people) is that with modern defensive ammo the .45 offers an 8-10% advantage in "stopping power" over the 9mm. When asked the "9mm vs. .45" question they answer SHOT PLACEMENT. Accurate, rapid, shot placement is the key here.rremingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07700598824835257409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-27305956382831708932015-12-13T20:53:03.083-06:002015-12-13T20:53:03.083-06:00David, above, hit on a very important subject. Wh...David, above, hit on a very important subject. When pocket carrying, especially in a loose coat pocket, your hand can be on the gun and ready, with no visible overt indication. <br /> I do not know about others, but many of the times I have wanted a gun available on short notice, the situation was ambiguous- something was strange, did not feel right, but was not yet at the point of attack, and distances were getting shorter. Now some would say to pull back the coat and draw on the potential assailant. But this chances drawing on an innocent party who was just acting weird, and who will immediately call the police on you- a guy could spend a lot of time and money explaining his way out of that. ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-74070169091333045272015-12-13T20:32:35.782-06:002015-12-13T20:32:35.782-06:00WHen I can, I carry a Para LDA. 6+1 in Gods Own Ca...WHen I can, I carry a Para LDA. 6+1 in Gods Own Caliber as designed by JMB. <br /><br />Plus, of course, an 8 rd reload. <br /><br />B https://www.blogger.com/profile/10586046436233366155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14237724402613952015-12-13T20:06:43.079-06:002015-12-13T20:06:43.079-06:00In the summer I was looking for a subcompact to re...In the summer I was looking for a subcompact to replace another I'd sold off. I hemmed and hawed between the XDS45 and XDS9. I eventually went with the 9. Like it a lot, and may yet get the .45 version.lee n. fieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01652025469454858807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-27875110853519426722015-12-13T19:43:02.960-06:002015-12-13T19:43:02.960-06:00I've got an M&P40C and a Tok. Although th...I've got an M&P40C and a Tok. Although the Tok is 'full size' it's very slim and easy to conceal. The M&P really on works for me in armpit or IWB.richard mcenroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659450906647134430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68173939684816023202015-12-13T19:22:09.168-06:002015-12-13T19:22:09.168-06:00Everybody has a different opinion... :-) And if I ...Everybody has a different opinion... :-) And if I could, I'd carry a full size .45 and be done with it... sighOld NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-11559402182487786892015-12-13T18:44:16.995-06:002015-12-13T18:44:16.995-06:00I usually carry an LCP in a Desantis Nemesis in my...I usually carry an LCP in a Desantis Nemesis in my support side pocket as a backup to my primary. And while starting from zero I can draw my primary faster, one advantage to pocket carry is that I can already have my hand on my gun...without looking like I have my hand on my gun.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09781711504345298784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-54711736125697922032015-12-13T18:38:26.384-06:002015-12-13T18:38:26.384-06:00Apparently a lot of us have been thinking along th...Apparently a lot of us have been thinking along this line. I've retired the S&W model 638 and replaced it with a Glock 43. I put a Pearce plus 1 extender on all magazines, use a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster and a Sticky single mag pouch in the opposite pants pocket. Carry load is Gold Dot 124 GR +p.<br />We'll all disagree about caliber,but ultimately this is an individual decision and it works for me.Mike T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03196518602489373453noreply@blogger.com