tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post246321041585492805..comments2024-03-28T05:04:12.280-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Deploying a braking parachute BEFORE landing?Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-1783720116948477232018-07-06T19:47:36.575-05:002018-07-06T19:47:36.575-05:00Oh man, had a copilot do that to me once. No mid-...Oh man, had a copilot do that to me once. No mid-air chute but, On speed, Over the first brick, throttles to idle, airbrakes 6... and I guess we were still about 6 feet high but damn, that was a hard landing. When the wings quit flying, you start falling.Barneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13137973043952019224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-79886583339486657082018-07-06T07:02:39.294-05:002018-07-06T07:02:39.294-05:00Looks to me like he did a dive and drive to get do...Looks to me like he did a dive and drive to get down, was still high and fast, saw he was eating up the available runway, so popped the chute to make the landing....see how he drops the last 5 or so feet; I think he stalled it on. Risky maneuver to save a bad approach.Differhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15581662615586346808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14716325598406367632018-07-05T18:25:07.933-05:002018-07-05T18:25:07.933-05:00This was SOP with B-47's, a very slippery airc...This was SOP with B-47's, a very slippery aircraft with few other means of slowing down.TwoDogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400034283241205713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-50589268803710531292018-07-05T14:46:11.999-05:002018-07-05T14:46:11.999-05:00The pilot MUST increase throttle with that chute d...The pilot MUST increase throttle with that chute deployed, or the plane stops flying, and proceeds to crash. You can't fool nature, that chute is a giant brake. Those old style engines are slow to spool up to usable power levels.<br />I suspect the tactic is to get the plane as slow as possible while maintaining throttle response and a level AOA to enable the plane to settle on the gear. You might be able to manage the same ground speed by dancing on the exhaust with the nose pointed at the sky, but that is not conducive to a short landing roll, and is very hazardous.<br /><br />I'm still surprised that no one has figured out how to fit thrust reversers to engines with reheat. Not having to bother with drag chutes would be good.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-14755371057902030532018-07-05T10:06:06.478-05:002018-07-05T10:06:06.478-05:00Notice how late the gear come out. Also notice th...Notice how late the gear come out. Also notice the slight increase in AOA as chute expands. I suspect that power was in - or increased - as chute deployed and then - only when clear that chute worked, was gear dropped and plane lands. Chute fails, pull the chute dump and fly away.<br /><br />RASRyszardshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06825411317944129801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-12165121513569339552018-07-05T02:19:04.289-05:002018-07-05T02:19:04.289-05:00I think it depends a great deal on your approach. ...I think it depends a great deal on your approach. If you <i>knew</i> in advance that this was the game plan, I think you would make your approach differently, since once you pop that drag chute, your vertical velocity will increase in proportion to the loss of lift from lowered airspeed. In other words, do it wrong and drive your landing gear through your wings and maybe your skull between your shoulders. But within certain limits, it seems quite feasible.<br /><br />Re: Su-22s: I don't think their pilots had much higher regard of them than you and your mates did, except in regards to its direct predecessor, the (awful) Su-7.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-47704567198145348232018-07-04T20:39:14.385-05:002018-07-04T20:39:14.385-05:00My father once told me a story about an event in t...My father once told me a story about an event in the 50s. An F-86<br />was on approach to LAX, but the pilot mistook Hawthorn Municipal<br />airport for LAX. By the time he realized his mistake, it was too<br />late. He ended up crashing through the chain link fence with the<br />nose of the aircraft in the middle of Prarie Avenue. He recalled<br />seeing armed MP's standing watch for several days while they<br />figured out how to properly secure the aircraft. <br /><br />My guess is that the pilot got his ass reamed!<br /><br /> <br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00198944158443979863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-31180948239771012212018-07-04T16:59:06.311-05:002018-07-04T16:59:06.311-05:00I wonder if they do that so they can keep the powe...I wonder if they do that so they can keep the power up on landing. Some of the older jets had a deadly lag when you shoved the throttles forward. (One of the first things you notice when you go from props to turbines.) The pilot would have to hit the first brick on landing, if you didn't and had to release the chute to go around, there probably wasn't another chute. Just guessing.Barneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13137973043952019224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-1172008598797143352018-07-04T16:33:15.216-05:002018-07-04T16:33:15.216-05:00What's that Navy phrase? Oh, yeah... "BO...What's that Navy phrase? Oh, yeah... "BOLTER, BOLTER, BOLTER!"<br /><br />Or... "Ramp Strike!"<br /><br />At least many ex-Soviet planes were actually built for semi-rugged conditions, which is weird when you think about it, because though their land planes have super-rugged landing gear, their carrier planes don't. Oh, well, Russians being Russians..Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.com