tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post2758710263899046605..comments2024-03-29T06:50:50.543-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Crime statistics - less than trustworthy?Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-1105109844723723512012-06-23T12:40:32.901-05:002012-06-23T12:40:32.901-05:00Yep. I've heard the term "Perverse Incent...Yep. I've heard the term "Perverse Incentive" used to describe this. You're required to reduce incidents in your district. You don't have the resources to do targeted patrolling in the depth you need to be effective, and you're not going to get the resources in favor of the Mayor's pet projects. But you have to get the incidents down, or you're fired and effectively blackballed, just like that guy they made an example of last month. And honesty is an awfully thin gruel to try to feed your wife and kids. So, you have a very powerful perverse incentive to gundeck the incident reports.<br /><br />*sigh* With that kind of pressure, what the Hell did you expect? I don't see how to change it, either, short of outvoting the useful idiots who keep putting the same Mayor and City Councilmen back into office to perpetuate the dishonesty.Mike Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644313489266335793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-58292142209323558962012-06-23T11:11:20.120-05:002012-06-23T11:11:20.120-05:00This happens everywhere. Politicians and the appoi...This happens everywhere. Politicians and the appointed police leaders who report to them live and die by their effectiveness in reducing crime, particularly in urban areas. This has become even more prevalent in this economic climate. Crime has soared and there is less and less money for hiring new officers. Hundreds retire and very few are being hired to replace them. What's the answer misreporting or failing to take reports on certain crimes. It's all based on the UCR code. If you change the code to a lesser offense it looks better. If you don't take a report according to they system it never happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-62343662881412903302012-06-23T08:16:15.315-05:002012-06-23T08:16:15.315-05:00This is a very human response. Other countries...This is a very human response. Other countries' statistics have become notoriously unreliable as police agencies have attempted to bureaucratically justify the success of draconian anti-gun laws. Japan, Britain, China & Australia are just a few examples of countries that under-report or misrepresent the scale of violent crime.Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09512155016462081947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-74238039202618637342012-06-23T05:05:53.350-05:002012-06-23T05:05:53.350-05:00Thank you, Peter. I give the idea a bit more of a...Thank you, Peter. I give the idea a bit more of a look <a href="http://wheretheresawilliam.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-crime-lying-cops.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Will Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13454533450309633627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-36818775842216718402012-06-23T04:27:00.080-05:002012-06-23T04:27:00.080-05:00@Will Brown: Interesting point! I hadn't tho...@Will Brown: Interesting point! I hadn't thought about that. Certainly the DOJ figures are based on those reported by local jurisdictions, so they'll be affected by such jiggery-pokery.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-35159383786527065692012-06-23T03:35:56.544-05:002012-06-23T03:35:56.544-05:00Passing observation; given recent reporting on DOJ...Passing observation; given recent reporting on DOJ officialdom and honest statements from same, their reputation for accuracy may deserve more stringent question.<br /><br />My main point, however, is to wonder how such crime statistic manipulation calls into question the common-of-late assertion among gun writers (blog or otherwise) that "more guns = less crime"? I wouldn't like to see the arguments against lawful gun ownership appear to gain credence because law enforcement can't seem to do their work honestly. <br /><br />Maybe we gun owners should further consider our reasoning and justifications in advancing our arguments in support of our beliefs. Looks like one of our major metrics just failed.Will Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13454533450309633627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68865408289690279062012-06-23T02:13:01.514-05:002012-06-23T02:13:01.514-05:00You probably need to look at the DOJ Crime Victimi...You probably need to look at the DOJ Crime Victimization Surveys to get accurate numbers.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02713155636288221032noreply@blogger.com