tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post3748665599156437637..comments2024-03-29T04:54:50.435-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Africa: land, tribes, and animist traditionsPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-43191548471508931902018-03-07T13:57:30.718-06:002018-03-07T13:57:30.718-06:00"In the third case, it's very much an iss..."In the third case, it's very much an issue, because the tribe has to leave them behind. It's bereft of its heritage, and will be treated as such by other tribes. What's worse, its left-behind ancestors will be displaced from their natural "homes" by the ancestors of the victors, who will move in and take over all such natural landmarks."<br /><br />Which is pretty much what happened, isn't it? And now the white former victors will themselves have to flee.Peter Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-18717530719544440222018-03-06T22:38:46.203-06:002018-03-06T22:38:46.203-06:00I've been thinking about this since I read the...I've been thinking about this since I read the previous posting on this issue. The blacks of South Africa feel they are correcting historical injustices when that land was taken from them during the British Empire days, which sounds like a correct assessment to me. At the same time, its clear that South Africa is going the same way as Zimbabwe. <br /><br />What I've been thinking is this: The average age of a Mid West farmer in the U.S. is early to mid 60's. These guys are going to retire soon. It is my understanding that these Afrikaner farmers are, indeed, excellent farmers. What if the U.S. government offered to buy out these farmers, pay the proceeds split between the Afrikaners and the South African government, then relocated the Afrikaner farmers that have just been bought out to the U.S. so that they can replace the retiring mid-west farmers? <br /><br />The big issue is the cost. How much would it cost to buy out these Afrikaners? $10 billion? $50 billion? We dropped $5 Trillion into the Muslim Middle-east over the past 15 years with absolutely nothing in return. It seems to me that this buy-out concept is peanuts in comparison, and we get a whole new generation of farmers in out Mid-west.<br /><br />Such a buy-out option strikes me as the appropriate positive-sum solution to the issue. The black South Africans get the money, along with the land, that they would not otherwise get. The Afrikaners get some value for their land (which they are not about to get under the current plan). Lastly, the Afrikaners get residency (and ultimately citizenship) in the U.S. The U.S. gets the benefit of another gneration of decent farmers to replace the guys who are retiring.<br /><br />It seems to me that only issue is how to get this scheme past the PC police here in the U.S.<br /><br />kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-36787026141920771352018-03-06T21:04:58.224-06:002018-03-06T21:04:58.224-06:00'Complicated'. That's a nice way to p...'Complicated'. That's a nice way to put it.Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-49746766680047781422018-03-06T20:15:23.667-06:002018-03-06T20:15:23.667-06:00@Firehand: That's complicated, because wars c...@Firehand: That's complicated, because wars can be fought between a tribe's ancestors as well as its living members, in at least some animist traditions.<br /><br />If a tribe is defeated in battle, it may be exterminated; its survivors may be absorbed into the conquering tribe; or they may flee. In the first case, its ancestors will no longer be remembered or honored by anyone, so they will die too - at least in memory. In the second case, they will become part of the conquering tribe, just as their descendants have done, so that's not an issue. In the third case, it's very much an issue, because the tribe has to leave them behind. It's bereft of its heritage, and will be treated as such by other tribes. What's worse, its left-behind ancestors will be displaced from their natural "homes" by the ancestors of the victors, who will move in and take over all such natural landmarks.<br /><br />It's a strange system. I could say a lot more, but it would take far too long and occupy far too much space for a blog article.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-67149643813495255972018-03-06T19:08:24.226-06:002018-03-06T19:08:24.226-06:00A question occurs:
Considering that various tribes...A question occurs:<br />Considering that various tribes migrated in various times and places and pushed other tribes out of the land that they'd been on, was there the same kind of upset and hate toward the invading tribe that there later was toward whites?Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-69208151795882864732018-03-06T16:11:46.873-06:002018-03-06T16:11:46.873-06:00"The animist view is that the ancestral spiri..."The animist view is that the ancestral spirits of the tribe are still present on that land. They have not been honored or propitiated properly for generations, due to the confiscation of the land; and until they are, the misfortunes that beset tribes during and after the colonial period will not cease. That, in essence, is at the heart of demands to take back the land from its white owners, whose own ancestors seized it from the tribes during the colonial period."<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Peeeeeeeyooooohhhhh!!!! Holy mackaral! Does it ever STINK in here! Ya might wanna check yer shorts, Pastor.<br /><br />Yeah sure, Pete. Pull my other finger? Who did the original black owners of that land steal steal it from...?<br /><br />I suppose if some white virtue signalling scold wants to make excuses for these feral baboons as they run themselves into the dirt - there is no harm in it, it's no skin off my nose. If any of that were true, the blacks will hand this property over to the rightful owners and descendants, right?<br /><br />How much money ya wanna bet that won't happen, Pete? Let us dispense with the sanctimonious bullchit: the white genocide and ethnic cleansing is about to go into high gear as Whitey's run off his land. Then the black one will begin in earnest. They are going to fight over the spoils of what's left, and after the killing is done they will run it into the ground. When they're starving again - they'll blame Whitey for that too. And that's when the other white virtue-signalling idiots will be on the Tube AGAIN, showing us pictures of negro children with distended bellies starving to death and trying to guilt trip us into more handouts. Just to head that one off at the pass - I'm tapped. I think it was Kim du Toit (another white African) that said "We've dumped billions into Africa to feed people that are homeless and starving - and all we have to show for it are more Africans that need to be housed and fed."<br /><br />I myself am fed up with black guilt trips, and their white eneablers. By their line of reasoning, we should load up America's blacks and ship them back to Africa so they can claim their rightful inheritance too? How many African-Americans would sign up for that?<br /><br />I used to believe it myself when people said that more blood, violence, death and misery was dealt out by religion than any other means. It was only recently that I was mature enough to understand that it wasn't the religion causing the carnage - it was the greedy, soulless morons that used religion as a tool to push their own greed.<br /><br />THAT is what's driving this land grab, and God (or Darwin, if you prefer) - will deal with the perps accordingly. It won't end well for them, nor should it. <br />Glen Filthiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03256741311142364722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-84215534365280857432018-03-06T12:06:03.218-06:002018-03-06T12:06:03.218-06:00This also describes Shinto, the pre-Buddhist Japan...This also describes Shinto, the pre-Buddhist Japanese tribal religion.Akatsukamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02728195684558703059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-50348619437973706812018-03-06T11:05:54.321-06:002018-03-06T11:05:54.321-06:00I wonder if it would be possible to give a right o...I wonder if it would be possible to give a right of "access" to privately owned farmland for native religious ceremonies, while permitting the farms remain with their current owners. Do you think that compromise would work?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133323701512839495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-31457481376391025002018-03-06T10:58:35.146-06:002018-03-06T10:58:35.146-06:00Great explanation. But would not the "ancest...Great explanation. But would not the "ancestors" of all the current farmers inhabit the land as well? Do the people that want to reclaim the land have a special ceremony to expel the foreign spirits? <br /><br />Bill in Central TexasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-13327667434770968132018-03-06T10:03:20.491-06:002018-03-06T10:03:20.491-06:00I had a client who had dated a man from a West Afr...I had a client who had dated a man from a West African country. He was from a rich and powerful family, whose leaders had been "chiefs" and "witch doctors" for many generations before they became "politicians" and "generals."<br /><br />When she broke their relationship off, he put a curse on her. (OK, this happened in California, but still...)Peter Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-67565439240683017132018-03-06T09:40:18.403-06:002018-03-06T09:40:18.403-06:00I ran into this in Brazil, where Candomble, a sync...I ran into this in Brazil, where Candomble, a syncretic African religion, survives today among the descendents of slaves. <br /> It's upsetting to walk into a Catholic church and see wax molds of the candomble deities hanging from the rafters, but it shows that 200 years is nowhere near enough time to blunt the strength of native religions. Paul, Dammit!https://www.blogger.com/profile/02264872375942355609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-3076735563978865312018-03-06T09:27:52.192-06:002018-03-06T09:27:52.192-06:00I'm always amused by Americans and most Europe...I'm always amused by Americans and most Europeans who think that everyone on the planet is just like them. They are always surprised when forced to confront the facts that other cultures, other people are nothing like us at all. In so far as I can tell only one culture on earth has ever changed down to its roots and it took two atomic bombs to do it.HMS Defianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024721130102173694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-78287528992321217272018-03-06T09:24:49.522-06:002018-03-06T09:24:49.522-06:00These posts have helped me realize what will happe...These posts have helped me realize what will happen in South Africa as a result of demographics, history, and culture. The important question now is how to mitigate the harm and allow the best possible outcome. Besides making it easier for those who want to leave to immigrate, what can the rest of the west do? (I am mindful that the right answer may be nothing...ultimately it is up to the white and black communities in South Africa, and foreigners with the best intentions may cause more harm than good). Gollioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11943189751660634774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-7088397242030054532018-03-06T08:06:01.311-06:002018-03-06T08:06:01.311-06:00mcchuck, the politicians who cause it also never ...mcchuck, the politicians who cause it also never go hungry.deb harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05110992898072146282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-71375929791768451412018-03-06T07:44:00.622-06:002018-03-06T07:44:00.622-06:00Wow. Thank you Peter.Wow. Thank you Peter.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613890024247909200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-50165558231851683492018-03-06T07:20:02.116-06:002018-03-06T07:20:02.116-06:00Interesting explanation and summary.
The people m...Interesting explanation and summary.<br /><br />The people may regret it in a couple of years when the food runs out. But the politicians who cause famine never accept any blame.McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243337792601085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-73013671637852680572018-03-06T07:19:25.181-06:002018-03-06T07:19:25.181-06:00It's coming on harvest season now. It won'...It's coming on harvest season now. It won't happen this year.<br /><br />Considering the pace of the confiscation, it probably won't happen next year, either.<br /><br />Let's 2020, with most of the people that know something about modern farming either dead or exiled, we will see the first famines. <br /><br />This will be promptly followed by televised appeals to the world for food aid. <br /><br />Here's exactly what's going to happen: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/zimbabwes-white-farmers-once-helped-feed-africa-now-their-farms-lie-ruins-1598660ASM826https://www.blogger.com/profile/04017388670319590449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-33774405379450295932018-03-06T06:45:17.310-06:002018-03-06T06:45:17.310-06:00Mr. Grant, thank you for your explanation and your...Mr. Grant, thank you for your explanation and your thoughts. If you have the right of it, I'd say things are gonna get one hell of a lot worse in that part of the world. It's gotta hurt to see that happening.exfarmkidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084262221155947074noreply@blogger.com