tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post3820142536530542413..comments2024-03-28T12:13:06.135-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: The Uvalde shooting: what we're learning is deeply troublingPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-30948990473291362102022-05-30T01:14:30.763-05:002022-05-30T01:14:30.763-05:00Re: financing. The freak did have a job, lived wit...Re: financing. The freak did have a job, lived with grandparents. I know Wendys isn't paying 20 or 25 an hour, but if the grandparents were not charging rent, and he could eat for free at the Wendys, with some self-discipline, it's not hard to save up 3 or 4 k in a few months. Especially if he was working a lot, if they were as shorthanded as every other fast food joint. snuffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15372590495699674235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-20936258704462569062022-05-28T15:38:02.403-05:002022-05-28T15:38:02.403-05:00Where did they get the money indeed. The Daniel De...Where did they get the money indeed. The Daniel Defense rifle the Uvalde goon carried into the school is a $2K piece of gear, and it looked to be equipped with an $800 optic. My guess would be he pilfered Grandpa's Mastercard, or had it linked into Apple Pay or the like on his phone. They all have smartphones, don't they ? TwoDogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400034283241205713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-90490479974518475122022-05-28T07:31:52.628-05:002022-05-28T07:31:52.628-05:00There are 310,000 K-12 schools in the USA, public ...There are 310,000 K-12 schools in the USA, public and private. The $40B we just sent to Ukraine would pay $300k for a year for trained, armed security for every school in the country, right now, today, to solve this problem. Now.<br /><br />But TPTB don't want to solve this problem. They want this problem to persist so that their solution - scary rifle confiscation - becomes the only solution. Because their goal isn't protecting children, it is disarming the American people. They will do anything to AVOID solving this problem because they need it to persist to be sure that they can justify their disarmament program. Jeff McPhatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00067941222307598234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-73055602261256805312022-05-27T23:33:43.063-05:002022-05-27T23:33:43.063-05:00"protect and serve" is considered an out..."protect and serve" is considered an outmoded concept by the police these days, and I would guess that has been the case for a long time, at least since the 90's, judging by what I have seen and heard.<br /><br />If the threat of guns is involved in a call, too many of them will slow roll their response, in the hope that others will get there first, or at least there will be a crowd of badge toters showing up to make them feel safer. Not that a crowd makes them safer, quite the opposite.<br /><br />A couple years ago, my neighbor had a home invasion at around 11:am. Started as a burglary with 3 gangsters, but they discovered his 14 yo daughter was home, and decided to attempt to break down the door she was behind. Cops were called, and they all arrived WITHOUT lights or sirens, and hid in the neighbor's yards to await their exit. Eventually they bailed, and the cops lost one, caught one, and had to get a dog to find the third one. He was livid when he found out what the cops had done. He made sure the rest of the street found out how the cops had acted. <br /><br />Realize, AND REMEMBER, that it is just a job with good retirement bennies to most cops. Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-11939474982301908972022-05-27T20:11:29.985-05:002022-05-27T20:11:29.985-05:00Life Ruined, not just blamed.
No cop wants to be ...Life Ruined, not just blamed.<br /><br />No cop wants to be the next Derek Chauvin, who was sacrificed for diversity.Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-6185321841980660932022-05-27T15:54:10.556-05:002022-05-27T15:54:10.556-05:00No thinking cop wants to be blamed for shooting th...No thinking cop wants to be blamed for shooting the wrong duh-versity with too much melanin and get Derek Chauvined for life. So there is that angle to consider. <br /><br />One question is how did the Uvalde shooter and Buffalo, NY shooter get the money for the weapons they allegedly used. The Lab Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17314871529571094106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-91756509301412622532022-05-27T14:28:16.438-05:002022-05-27T14:28:16.438-05:00They did think they had a barricaded subject and n...They did think they had a barricaded subject and not an active shooter, so apparently switched doctrine."<br /><br />That's just stupid. They admit they had officers who received incoming fire from the guy. That makes him an active shooter. Period. Until he is neutralized, one way or the other.<br /><br />If he stops shooting and is held up in a class full of kids he can't downgrade from an active shooter to a barricaded suspect. He's already shown that he is using lethal force. Hell, he could have been in ther slitting little kids throats while the cops are out there thinking he's "just barricaded".<br /><br />Twenty years of training this shit and they still can't do it right.GuardDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622236339096746029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-80306409008789386762022-05-27T14:10:34.414-05:002022-05-27T14:10:34.414-05:00There are many problems with the shooter story lin...There are many problems with the shooter story line. If he had so much time why was he only in one classroom. Did he have a target??? <br /><br />Not sure how he got in unless the school guard propped the door open to chase him then got shot.Jmparrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12119149518694093508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-12763882361617061102022-05-27T14:05:10.782-05:002022-05-27T14:05:10.782-05:00Update, I could link the townhall dot com thread w...Update, I could link the townhall dot com thread where Texas DPS is answering a whole bunch of pointed questions but I am unsure of the protocol but I'll just hit the point I want to. It is referenced in the press conference that the school does have an SRO, he was off campus at the time. He heard the 911 call and rushed back to the school but unfortunately missed the shooter in passing. I would have to dig further to find out why. Joliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14639410691654049990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-88790723403210050732022-05-27T12:48:33.575-05:002022-05-27T12:48:33.575-05:00https://www.zerohedge.com/political/officers-waite...https://www.zerohedge.com/political/officers-waited-engage-texas-school-shooter-because-they-could-have-been-shot-official <br /><br />Watch the video. They did think they had a barricaded subject and not an active shooter, so apparently switched doctrine.<br /><br /><i>Officials acknowledged many flaws in the response to the Uvalde school shooting saying police officers should have gone in rather than waiting, and that delay cost lives of children.<br /><br /> "It was the wrong decision, very wrong. There's no excuse for that. … When there's an active shooter, the rules change. There is no longer a barricaded subject. You don't have time," he said.<br /><br />McCraw added that "if I thought it would help, I would apologize."</i><br /><br /><br />nicknick flandreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09481936223334437463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-5999381440830712202022-05-27T11:31:08.426-05:002022-05-27T11:31:08.426-05:00reports are confused, wait until the details come ...reports are confused, wait until the details come out.<br /><br />@James, I've seen reports that much of the school was evacuated, including kids of the cops doing the evacuations. I haven't seen reports of individual students being pulled out (I admit I have not seen everything)<br /><br />@Nick, the updated timeline I saw last night did say that they were attempting to establish communications with him.<br /><br />but to everyone, wait for the info to come out, don't jump to conclusions based on partial information.<br /><br />David LangUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084309137541367977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-5724509394245240682022-05-27T11:04:24.019-05:002022-05-27T11:04:24.019-05:00Something you don't mention is the reports, ba...Something you don't mention is the reports, back by a police official, that several of the officers went in and got their own kids and left all the rest while the shooter was active.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05993938643115716912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-78246108770544010902022-05-27T10:41:33.571-05:002022-05-27T10:41:33.571-05:00No one has yet made the claim that they arrived no...No one has yet made the claim that they arrived not to an active shooter but to a barricaded hostage taker, which MIGHT justify their actions, at least from a doctrinal standpoint. But no one did anything that would support that sort of determination either. They didn't attempt to establish communication for example.<br /><br />Doctrine on active shooter response is very clear. First on scene enters and attempts to stop the threat. You are supposed to wait for one other responder as backup, but if you can hear shooting, I can't imaging waiting.<br /><br />I can't imagine it, but we've seen it here, we've seen it at Parkland. We've seen it at the Pulse nightclub. <br /><br />What I haven't seen is a clear timeline of when the murderer was actually shooting vs the response. What I have seen is that some students survived to later die at the hospital. How many of those kids bled out while the cops waited around?<br /><br />The sheepish claim that they had the shooter "contained" and that it saved lives is ludicrous based on information released so far. Contained would mean officers outside the door and windows with eyes on the murderer, guns at the ready, ready and able to shoot him if he moved. Contained = unable to do any further harmful actions. They did not have any such thing.<br /><br /><br />nick<br /><br />and for what it's worth, I've had two classes on civilian response to active shooter events with our local constables, and one with our big city PD. I volunteered in my kids' elementary school. I had a plan there for MY response in my classroom that couldn't be locked. When a driveby shooter fired shots at our neighborhood pool and the kids there, I ran toward the shots. I KNOW my response, not just talking from my keyboard.nick flandreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09481936223334437463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-12492705330148381652022-05-27T10:29:40.583-05:002022-05-27T10:29:40.583-05:00Recognize that we live in a fallen world. That me...Recognize that we live in a fallen world. That means that evil walks and works and lives amongst us.<br /><br />Harden your heart to deal decisively with that evil - and the only thing that stops it physically is to kill it.<br /><br />Have the mental and psychological fortitude to be able to "throw the switch", killing efficiently, effectively, and rapidly<br /><br />Hug your family every day and let them know you love them<br /><br />KNOW how to use a weapon, including improvised, and carry every day (SCOTUS has 100% consistently ruled that the police have ZERO responsibility for your safety; and realize that the slogan "to serve and to protect" is just that - a slogan from the 1950s LA county (police?) academy)<br /><br />Be prepared to deal with "interferers", whether political, government, or neighbors......wtcreauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07351688697424480725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-39494668618468344612022-05-27T10:26:37.850-05:002022-05-27T10:26:37.850-05:00I would run into gunfire trying to protect my kids...I would run into gunfire trying to protect my kids.NITZAKHONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04110716447757507226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-43536011501629365162022-05-27T10:02:01.786-05:002022-05-27T10:02:01.786-05:00Les,
They had him confined in a classroom full of...Les,<br /><br />They had him confined in a classroom full of children? And they waited? Were they sure every child in that classroom was already dead? Or did they just decide to write that class off?<br /><br />That doesn't make it better.GuardDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622236339096746029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-84937829047901331692022-05-27T10:00:15.441-05:002022-05-27T10:00:15.441-05:00Looks like shooting back works. Police response ra...Looks like shooting back works. Police response rates will be bad just about everywhere.Fredrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08574586401709392348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-70018340810833477702022-05-27T09:52:16.684-05:002022-05-27T09:52:16.684-05:00I think it took 16 minutes for any police to show ...I think it took 16 minutes for any police to show up as well. Protect and serve!edlfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16859730659143852274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-19268718058363210072022-05-27T09:41:55.863-05:002022-05-27T09:41:55.863-05:00Charging every officer who stood outside with crim...Charging every officer who stood outside with criminal negligence resulting in wrongful death, and removing all qualified immunity from them for criminal and civil actions, would end that nonsense forever.<br /><br />Erecting a monument with the names of them, under a giant white chicken, on the school's front lawn, and naming it Cowards Park in their honor would be the least that the citizens of that town ought to do, after they fire everyone from beat cop to chief.<br /><br />If they were all tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail, and burned out of their homes, a bill of no indictment by the local grand jury would also be in order.<br /><br />Just for openers.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-406240897413802062022-05-27T09:23:37.528-05:002022-05-27T09:23:37.528-05:00Before continuing the "Cops were cowards"...Before continuing the "Cops were cowards" meme, take a look at the school. Open concept 50's school, with the classrooms opening onto the sidewalk. Children in unhardened classrooms literally all around. They apparently kept the shooter confined to one classroom, where he barricaded himself while they evacuated the rest of the school. Plus, who knew what was going on? Then they went and killed the shooter. The people who responded were from that community with wives and children there. Lots of Monday morning quarterbacks out there. The shooter is dead, so they are looking for a scapegoat. les1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10410119692343401028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-24560653190079080102022-05-27T09:14:21.509-05:002022-05-27T09:14:21.509-05:00Every single officer that refused to enter that sc...Every single officer that refused to enter that school, from whatever agency, should be summarily fired. The Chief of Police should be fired.<br />Knowing that township as I do and the people that inhabit it; I would imagine the police officers are living in fear. And, they should be. The nicest thing that could happen to them would be a severe beating.<br />They should never hold another law enforcement job ever again.1chotahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447809553993449672noreply@blogger.com