tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post392799483830654955..comments2024-03-28T09:10:42.703-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Tribes, tribalism, and securityPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-65837505542287008892018-01-02T12:20:11.167-06:002018-01-02T12:20:11.167-06:00"You can't just kill humans because they&..."You can't just kill humans because they're human"<br /><br />How silly! Of course you can; if they were not human you would not bother. Any of the "reasons" we use as a context (war, genocide,...) are just rationales. We are killing because we and they are humans.<br /><br />We do not like what they are doing, we reject unconditional surrender and/or submission, and so we resist, fight and kill enough of them to back off and stop. That is the reductio; all else is the pretty bow we tie around it.<br /><br />Overwhelming, annihilating, horrific levels of force brought to bear early saves more lives than any other action. <br /><br />Perceived weakness and inaction is provocative.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-76868546365352984992018-01-02T04:45:30.775-06:002018-01-02T04:45:30.775-06:00Anonymous - That's a bit much, even coming fro...Anonymous - That's a bit much, even coming from me. You can't just kill humans because they're human (unless you're a radical Greenie, of course). Everybody is tribal at heart. (Growing up, I thought the people from the other side of the creek were dangerously strange and foreign.) Western Civilization has expanded the concept of tribe to the Nation, with a neutral State apparatus administering equally over all, and it has worked out quite well for us. The EU's current attempt to expand it beyond that isn't working out very well, but that kind of proves the point. The nation is the tribe is the clan is the family. You have to have a basic commonality to be a cohesive group.<br /><br />Now compare this to the Arab lands, where your tribe is part of your name, and justice is arbitrarily meted out by revenge killings. 'Your tribe killed one of us, so we kill one of yours.' Payments are sometimes accepted in lieu of blood, but not always. The State Dept. still hasn't figured out that this is how things work there, and keeps trying to teach them about individual justice, courtroom process, and policing. McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243337792601085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68745414995996106582018-01-01T15:04:20.448-06:002018-01-01T15:04:20.448-06:00Tribes are actually very easy to deal with. The re...Tribes are actually very easy to deal with. The reason that they exist is because their members exist. Most people do not want to do what is required. <br /><br />Ask the tribes in Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki how their tribes are doing.<br /><br />"Oh but you cannot kill them all". You don't have to. Just enough of them, catastrophically, to cause the rest and the onlookers to recoil in horror.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-82129034567531859202018-01-01T13:55:49.212-06:002018-01-01T13:55:49.212-06:00Tribes: Still fighting the Forever Wars.Tribes: Still fighting the Forever Wars.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-45154988528429834312018-01-01T11:21:56.459-06:002018-01-01T11:21:56.459-06:00The single most horrific result of European coloni...The single most horrific result of European colonialism is that the colonies were carved out with little to no regard for the tribal identities of the inhabitants. The resulting "nations" have no reason for being other than establishment by fiat and the competing tribes have no reason to cooperate and every incentive to maximize their tribe at the expense of all others. mark leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05664390381774473222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-28580818806664852842018-01-01T09:34:36.838-06:002018-01-01T09:34:36.838-06:00We're not so very far from tribalism - in some...We're not so very far from tribalism - in some parts anyway. Consider this excerpt from Catriona (written in the 19th century, but set in mid-18th century:<br /><br />“Well,” said I, “it’s a fact ye have little of the wild Highlandman.” <br /><br />“Little?” quoth he. “Nothing, man! And yet I’m Hieland born, and when the clan pipes, who but me has to dance! The clan and the name, that goes by all.Margaret Ballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048775257764349955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-18964182329315764042018-01-01T09:34:13.452-06:002018-01-01T09:34:13.452-06:00Tribalism is still alive and well (!) in Europe as...Tribalism is still alive and well (!) in Europe as well. Northern Ireland and Bosnia were (are?) prime examples.BadFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00051102067870927677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-90493043917109130342018-01-01T09:20:05.264-06:002018-01-01T09:20:05.264-06:00The movie Lawrence of Arabia demonstrates tribalis...The movie Lawrence of Arabia demonstrates tribalism. At one point Lawrence avoids a tribal war by killing a murderer. Since he is not a member of any tribe, there is no need for retaliation. At the end of the movie, various tribes run different parts of the public services in Damascus: one runs the power grid, another the water system, a third the fire department. Because of tribal animosity, they don't cooperate, and everything falls apart. The British officers knew this would happen so they just wait for the Arabs to fail and then move in and take over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-39112322231861046252018-01-01T08:04:53.173-06:002018-01-01T08:04:53.173-06:00So much obvious reality has been ignored by our go...So much obvious reality has been ignored by our government (particularly State Dept.) for so long, that they can no longer identify reality when it hits them with a stick. That's why the current personnel purge is so important, and so necessary. Next step - clean up the State Dept. and all the military service training academies. They're a mess of commie/lib/prog indoctrination, which forces out all common sense, rationality, and the ability to recognize and react to reality.<br /><br />Oh, and we need to get rid of the idiotic law against foreign bribery. Most of the world works that way, and you can't do any business without bribing officials at almost every level.McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243337792601085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-49054432594151624272018-01-01T07:38:05.931-06:002018-01-01T07:38:05.931-06:00Well, yes.
Now tell me: did the Bushkins underst...Well, yes.<br /><br />Now tell me: did the Bushkins understand tribalism? Did they understand the force of religious belief?<br /><br />So here we are.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-73249876063272049382018-01-01T06:24:06.072-06:002018-01-01T06:24:06.072-06:00Hey Peter;
I remember a phrase I read a long ...Hey Peter;<br /><br /> I remember a phrase I read a long time ago, "It is always 5 minutes to high noon in Africa". This is due to the layouts of the countries in Africa that cut across tribal boundaries because the countries that were created came out of the areas carved out by European influences. And the genocide that is seen is usually the stronger tribe attacking the weaker tribe in that country. Also correct me if I'm wrong outside the western based world, it is tribal or family connections that matter more than national identity. This is partially explains the Syrian mess, Assad is the head of his family and he is fighting to save his family who depend on him for survival. If he loses or gets deposed, there will be mass slaughter against his family.MrGarabaldihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05768774166065615995noreply@blogger.com