tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post5647463899245219211..comments2024-03-28T13:53:04.287-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Is public support for a murderer a reaction against tyranny?Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68799837990933601742013-02-13T22:14:13.052-06:002013-02-13T22:14:13.052-06:00What has happened with the LAPD, as well as just a... What has happened with the LAPD, as well as just about all governmental organizations, is a perfect example of Pournelle's Iron Law<br /><br /> "In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely."<br /><br />The LAPD is more concerned with its survival at all costs than fulfilling its original purpose.<br /><br /><br />Old surfernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-56427257525596682932013-02-13T22:04:19.760-06:002013-02-13T22:04:19.760-06:00I believe that one of the reasons for the fan club...I believe that one of the reasons for the fan clubs and anti-Police attitude is that the entire event was the perfect computer game. Think about it. This is the sort of thing that kids have been playing for the last couple of years, and then along comes Chris Dorner and fulfills their every desire. Of course, he's the bad guy, and eventually has to be killed. It was pre-ordained, if you play computer games. Just saying.trailbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06830065132795330618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-73627271809414987312013-02-13T15:00:43.079-06:002013-02-13T15:00:43.079-06:00I never rooted for Dorner but I also didnt hesitat...I never rooted for Dorner but I also didnt hesitate to chastise those officers who decided to shoot innocent people because they were angry and/or scared. As far as I am concerned every officer on the LAPD who does not condemn those officers and do everything in their power, including making public statements against them and their behavior shares in some of the guilt.<br />If me or anyone else without a badge had done what they had done we would be arrested and prosecuted they get a paid vacation and qualified immunity. BenCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-71175511172852154822013-02-13T14:17:39.213-06:002013-02-13T14:17:39.213-06:00I think of the noted reaction to Dorner as the Zor...I think of the noted reaction to Dorner as the Zorro effect; a criminal who nonetheless fights against your perceived oppressor.<br /><br />My concern is the extent this episode has made apparent just how fragile is the state of US civilization. If one man - arguably one not-very-well-prepared man - can demonstrably disrupt an entire portion of a state the size of California, what could an organized and prepared (read: well funded) small group do to even our largest states? A few pairs of shooters could easily target one victim a day around a state; if they were supported by a <i>committee of correspondence</i> effort located elsewhere, the effect might well be catastrophic. Imagine the national effect of such a campaign in a political swing state during an election year.<br /><br />This is not a minor concern for a marginal issue and had damn-all to do with Dorner's atrocities really. The likely-seeming political over-reaction we can expect as a result can only make a bad situation worse. For all that Lawdog's (and your) point is entirely valid, it addresses what must be considered a secondary concern at this point IMO. While your viewpoint should be a large component of a corrective effort directed at government and policing in this country, we might want to reduce the apparent widespread support for insurrection first without managing to shoot more of ourselves in the process.<br /><br />Dorner appears to have shot himself rather than burn to death in the house LAPD kept him trapped in and lit afire. That's a real problem, but people being apparently willing to support assassination of government employees and their families is a bigger concern, I think. The potential for this apparent feeling to be manipulated deliberately is a nightmare we have to prevent occurring if we have any hope of continuing to exist as a country.<br /><br />Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on political campaigns every election cycle. Stop to consider what 10 million could do to any state's election process just by carefully preparing to follow the <i>Dorner Model</i> over the course of a political year.Will Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13454533450309633627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-79500318089833900332013-02-13T13:13:41.256-06:002013-02-13T13:13:41.256-06:00I remember the rage that my dad expressed at the c...I remember the rage that my dad expressed at the craven fear of his men driven by a "karate expert" on the run in Lubbock back in the 70's. He was visibly angry at what was being bandied about by his troops. Their responses were similar to what happened to Dorner.<br /><br />This is NOT the country I grew up in. Military training for police officers, police duties for our military men. Armed groups in every bureaucratic unit shows what the Liberal mindset is: tyranny and a basic misunderstanding of the roles of military and police.<br /><br />I really wonder what the future holds for my kids and grandkids. <br /><br />May God have mercy on the remnant that believes in Him and believes in the Constitution of the USA. <br /><br />snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-82072321857413107872013-02-13T09:57:31.978-06:002013-02-13T09:57:31.978-06:00Dorner would have been a much more sympathetic ant...Dorner would have been a much more sympathetic anti-hero if he'd stuck to members of the LAPD, and not their family members.perlhaqrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920117742664645165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-19441173613114574792013-02-13T08:38:36.312-06:002013-02-13T08:38:36.312-06:00Peter, I understand your position. I suspect, howe...Peter, I understand your position. I suspect, however, it may not be built on firm ground. <br /><br />Based on currently available information, it appears LAPD elected to execute a suspect - Christopher Dorner - by burning down the cabin he was believed to be in. <br /><br />LAPD has also, during this event, randomly opened fire on innocent people instead of pursuing more circumspect means of apprehending Dorner. Witness the two shot up pickup trucks, neither of which were driven by anyone vaguely resembling Dorner. <br /><br />There comes a point where an organization ceases to fulfill its designed purpose and becomes instead Just Another Gang With Guns. So far, it looks like that is what the LAPD may have become. <br /><br />I recognize that not all LAPD officers share that mentality, nor do all condone that behavior. Small comfort, that, when one is shot by an LAPD employee who <i>is</i> one of the Armed Gang Members. (You'll note that all 3 people in the two pickup trucks shot at by LAPD did suffer wounds.)<br /><br />The worry is that police in general have devolved into armed thugs who place the safety of citizens in jeopardy; too many officers are part of the "thin blue line" who quietly condone that attitude and behavior by not speaking out against it. <br /><br />Certainly, to repeat, not all police behave as armed thugs; unfortunately, they all wear the same uniforms and drive the same color cars so citizens cannot tell which are the thugs and which are the Good Guys. <br /><br />When one encounters a strange dog one knows not whether it is a loving, friendly pet or a hungry, angry animal who considers you his next meal. So, one exercises caution in dealing with all dogs, and avoids them whenever possible, until such time as the dog's true nature is demonstrated. The same is true with police and, in fact, most government employees. <br /><br />Allow me to pose a question: At what point is returning fire classified as legitimate self defense, or is it always an unauthorized attack on authority?Aliennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-68987082990834588802013-02-13T06:53:52.521-06:002013-02-13T06:53:52.521-06:00The police set the cabin on fire. Go to this recor...The police set the cabin on fire. Go to this recording from the police scanner<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD944We9Qm8&sns=em<br /><br />And go to one minute four seconds.<br /><br />Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02713155636288221032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-3864873512792547252013-02-13T06:08:02.064-06:002013-02-13T06:08:02.064-06:00Note to readers:
I wrote this article to express ...Note to readers:<br /><br />I wrote this article to express genuine concern about the state of law enforcement in the US. However, I'm not prepared to see it degenerate into a rant or anti-cop 'hate-fest'. Comments such as 'The only "good cop" or "Good fed" is a dead one ... They are murderous scum', and other sentiments as expressed by an anonymous commenter at 5.35 a.m., are simply unacceptable - not to mention untrue of many officers.<br /><br />Feel free to comment as you see fit - including criticism of those law enforcement officers and agencies that deserve it - but in a responsible way, please.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-28281895658912163002013-02-13T05:55:43.497-06:002013-02-13T05:55:43.497-06:00Prescient post.
First, government - at all levels...Prescient post.<br /><br />First, government - at <i>all</i> levels - has grown too big, too expensive, too intrusive and too stupid. It needs to not be trimmed back, but gutted and, as Bill Whittle said "put back in the government-sized box it came in." Wish I'd said that. <br /><br />Second, Quin Hillyer assesses it correctly, and allow me to use one example to reinforce his point: Housing. HUD, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, FHA and VA mortgages, all of which lies at the root of our present economic troubles. Where in the Constitution does it say the federal government of the United States has any business at all being involved in the housing business? That is true as well of a multitude of agencies and endeavors in which the fed.gov is involved.<br /><br />Third, it is understandable that many do not understand the Second Amendment. Amendment II does not exist to provide for hunting or target shooting - it is as judge Alex Kozinsky said, a doomsday provision ensuring the Constitutional authority in the United States is held by its citizens for when government truly goes out of control. In short, the Second Amendment says "Screw with us severely enough and we will kill you." A great many people choose to not think about such things. Fortunately, the "Dead White Men" who put their lives, families, fortunes and honor on the line to create this country and write its constitution did think about it. <br /><br />Christopher Dorner's actions are beyond despicable; so are the actions of armed government agents in California. I'll second what Wraith said - we need Peace Officers, not law enforcement officers. Government agencies do not understand how much citizens fear, and loathe, the door-kickers and dog-shooters LE, and other, agencies employ, and the brainless bureaucrats who makes citizens' lives miserable. <br /><br />Those in power rarely relinquish it without a fight. I would offer that citizens are willing to engage in that fight to get our country back. I would offer to those who seek to rule us, we're certainly not yet at the fourth box, but we know on which shelf it is kept, so pay attention when we use the first three.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-39615730292746016002013-02-13T05:35:18.035-06:002013-02-13T05:35:18.035-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-75604007395713446522013-02-13T02:07:00.192-06:002013-02-13T02:07:00.192-06:00Dorner can't be president of the United States...Dorner can't be president of the United States.<br /><br />For one simple reason. The MF's DEAD!<br /><br />Surrounded in a cabin by scores of Police and sheriff's deputies he managed to kill one officer and wound another before he set fire to the place and swallowed his gun barrel first.<br /><br />Better this way, the United States doesn't need another faux Robin Hood and millions spent on a prolonged trial.<br /><br />Rot in Hell Dorner!Toejamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10848591976270307402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-169036643344458912013-02-13T01:47:18.601-06:002013-02-13T01:47:18.601-06:00Excellent post that gets to the most important les...Excellent post that gets to the most important lesson of this whole crazy situation. I have always looked at the cop as a friend and protector of the peace, but these incidents are disturbing indeed, and make one wonder where this trend will end. At least we know how easily the system could be brought down if, as Jefferson once said, it becomes necessary to fertilize the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots.c w swansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02735507642689652780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-6131711864341044522013-02-12T23:40:20.477-06:002013-02-12T23:40:20.477-06:00Back in the day, we had Peace Officers. These cop...Back in the day, we had Peace Officers. These cops are exemplified today by such examples as Matt G, LawDog and a few others of note. These folks might have, at times, been a bit 'creative' with the <i>letter</i> of the law, but most definitely upheld its spirit.<br /><br />Then we started seeing more and more Law Enforcement Officers. They had little to no concept of the spirit of the law; they were simply enforcing the letter, regardless of whether it was just, fair, or even made any sense.<br /><br />And now, we're seeing more and more Goons. They don't give a faint, wan, bleary-eyed damn about the letter OR the spirit of the law--they just revel in the fact that they get to be bullies without consequence, and the only people they're out to "protect and serve" are themselves.<br /><br />If you blast away at anything that moves because it MIGHT be a threat...<br /><br />If you threaten law-abiding citizens with execution...<br /><br />If you murder defenseless house pets...<br /><br />If you're willing to kill anything and sacrifice anyone to the false god of "I'm going home at the end of my shift"...<br /><br />...then you're a Goon. And upon learning of your death, I will say a prayer for your immortal soul. Not because you deserve it, but because you're desperately going to need it when you stand before our Lord and are called to answer for your deeds.Wraithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02791730539181731523noreply@blogger.com