tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post6180975173937340077..comments2024-03-28T09:43:20.058-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Cherry-picking anti-gun materialPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-976723844685802392015-07-30T23:44:32.611-05:002015-07-30T23:44:32.611-05:00Will, you seem to have overlooked my last sentence...Will, you seem to have overlooked my last sentence.<br /><br />And what I wrote is geared to get tools into the hand of a (honest) law enforcement to get guns out of the hands of criminals and maniacs.<br /><br />The weapon registration has only the point that the law can prove that a gun they caught a suspect with is illegal.<br /><br />The ballistic profile is only for proving that the gun that was used in a crime belonged to a suspect.<br /><br />If not for that, I would simply take the license to own a gun without any gun registering, but that is sadly necessary.<br /><br />Now, to rephrase my last sentence, when you can't trust your own government anymore, no law is sensible, as any law, any regulation regardless of the subject gives the government more power you don't want it to have.<br /><br />About the difference between a citizen and a subject, you are somewhat arrogant, don't you think?<br />The US is anything but a shining light of freedom anymore.<br />People in quite a few other countries enjoy similar if not more freedoms.<br />And what some people seem to forget, the ultimate form of freedom is anarchy and the law of the jungle.<br />So anything that makes it harder for bullies and tyrants to rule encroaches some freedoms.<br />The point is to find a balance.<br />And you in the US have lost that balance.MadMcAlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189731235105279817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-5513867808911615302015-07-30T16:31:21.681-05:002015-07-30T16:31:21.681-05:00MadMcAl:
Most of what you want done is subject to...MadMcAl:<br /><br />Most of what you want done is subject to misuse by the government. They absolutely DON'T need to know what people own. <br /><br />Ballistics testing: most of what you think you know about this subject is bullshit from entertainment. It was recently discovered that the FBI lies about most of what it does. (they fake it, apparently)<br /><br />The entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to deter government. That is why the founders expected people to be armed with the same weapons as the military.<br /><br />Your thinking is very much based on being a subject, not a citizen. That is why this country was founded, and it remains the major difference between the USA and the rest of the world.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-17190710167516064672015-07-30T12:37:34.094-05:002015-07-30T12:37:34.094-05:00Actually sensible gun laws are not something bad.
...Actually sensible gun laws are not something bad.<br /><br />The point of argue is, what are sensible gun laws.<br /><br />For me (not a US citizen) sensible gun laws impede the <i>illegal</i> access to and/or use of guns.<br /><br />To that extend, everybody trying to buy a gun has to prove he has not lost the right to do so.<br />Losing said right is done by either being convicted of <i>any</i> crime or by declared (by a judge) a potential danger for oneself or others (meaning mentally health problems like depression, psychosis or alcoholism).<br />For that the potential buyer has to get a license to buy a weapon and has to show it to the seller (similar to the drivers license).<br />Only for the gun not the amunition.<br />Said license <i>has</i> to be given to anybody who has not been disqualified for it (and the rules what disqualify somebody from weapon owner ship have to be defined exact. For example temporary grief driven insanity does not disqualify the person, at least not permanently).<br />If, at an later date the license owner is disqualified his/her license will be revoked and s/he will be notified and any weapons have to be secured (it should still be possible to have weapons at a gun range, but not possible to take them out there).<br />If a person is charged with a felony his/her license has to be suspended.<br /><br />Every gun has to be registered. There has to be a ballistic profile on file. The owner is responsible to secure the gun in a way that impedes theft, or unqualified persons (like for example children) getting to them. Should a gun be stolen the police has to be informed immediately after the owner finds out the fact (the next morning is enough, but 2 days later is already to late).<br /><br />Carry permits (either concealed or open) <i>have</i> to be issued if the gun owner qualifies for a normal gun owner license <i>and</i> s/he qualifies in a certified firearm training course (and said training course does not have to be local, so the Chicago way of outlawing the courses won't work).<br /><br />Anybody found with an <i>illegal</i> firearm (either no license or not registered) will be charged with attempted murder (with the rationale that an illegal firearm is carried around only to commit a crime, and as firearms are meant to wound or kill somebody the crime in question is to be assumed murder).<br />Somebody who gives a firearm knowingly to a person without or with an suspended license will be charged with accessory to attempted murder.<br /><br />Gun free zones are regulated insofar as that the person or organization declaring the gun free zone <i>enforces</i> it. That means armed security personnel at all entries of said zone.<br />If there is no checkpoint the gun free zone is automatically invalid.<br /><br />Weapons that are essentially military in their nature need a special license that is <i>not</i> an automatic right.<br />This are for example fully automatic weapons, .5 caliber anti material rifles, grenade launchers, rocket launchers etc.<br />Nobody can really argue for any use of these weapons that a civilian has. Exceptions may be rural areas where Grizzlies, Icebears or Kodiaks are common (there a .5 may be a good idea).<br /><br />Of course, if the government gets the "glorious" idea to confiscate all weapons nothing is sensible anymore.MadMcAlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189731235105279817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-54859113491105849902015-07-30T11:57:48.708-05:002015-07-30T11:57:48.708-05:00Many of us have learned by now that discussion wit...Many of us have learned by now that discussion with the grabbers goes nowhere. Here's an approach/response more and more of us are using. Mike Vanderboegh's "I will not comply" activities also demonstrate that some of these new laws and regulations can't be enforced in the face of determined, active opposition.<br /><br />journaldotijreviewdotcom/2015/07/245635-gun-rights-advocates-have-a-devastating-new-argument-against-gun-control-here-it-is/ <br /><br />GoatroperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-17121189679419519802015-07-30T08:29:59.352-05:002015-07-30T08:29:59.352-05:00Specifically the "professionals" they co...Specifically the "professionals" they control. You know, the ones who flashbang maim babies in their cribs and burn down homes with children inside to arrest those they don't like.<br /> It's not about gun control it"s about people control and always has been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-37634762739267414272015-07-29T20:23:11.205-05:002015-07-29T20:23:11.205-05:00Typical leftist thinking: if you can't do it p...Typical leftist thinking: if you can't do it perfectly, you shouldn't be allowed to do it at all. Leave it to the "professionals". <br />Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-5430988767262022172015-07-29T19:58:28.169-05:002015-07-29T19:58:28.169-05:00I have been hearing a radio commercial for Hartfor...I have been hearing a radio commercial for Hartford Insurance for a few weeks now that has the same attitude. It was the object left laying around that caused someone to trip and fall, etc. It goes on to imply that, "these can't be prevented." BS! The company I work for has "Be Safe" as their motto, and encourages us to be very proactive about safety. Pick it up, clean it up, report potential problems, etc., to the extent that we are encouraged to refuse to enter an area or engage in an activity that we reasonably consider to be unsafe. <br /><br />Guns are no different. Learn how to safely handle them, and never violate the four rules, and the odds get pretty long that you will have a negligent discharge, much less an "accident". Using a gun in a defensive situation is no different: if you have never had professional training, your odds of success depend on the courage of your attacker. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015544320906146949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-20777897921173813922015-07-29T17:24:09.670-05:002015-07-29T17:24:09.670-05:00There is an issue that needs to be addressed befor...There is an issue that needs to be addressed before we talk about whether guns are good defense against crime, or which gun control laws are "reasonable".<br /><br /><br />The Second Amendment says that the right to keep and bear arms "Shall not be infringed". We know, because the debates on the Bill of Rights were well documented, that the men who wrote that law and voted for it meant it to ensure that the common citizen had easy, legal access to military grade weapons. <br /><br />Now, that may be a bad idea. The Constitution includes several. Which is why the Constitution includes a specific process for Amendment. <br /><br />The Gun Grabbers need to propose an Amendment. If they don't, if they are not willing to go through the process, then they are scofflaws.<br /><br />I do not own a gun. I do not expect to own a gun in the future. I DO want to live in a Nation that follows its own laws. I do NOT want to live in a Nation that is willing to compromise its most fundamental laws because a certain political faction thinks it know better and doesn't want to do any heavy lifting.<br /><br />We need to start telling the Bloomburgs "Play by the rules, or shut up."C. S. P. Schofieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18307088118631856756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-38553164835293940322015-07-29T15:36:16.832-05:002015-07-29T15:36:16.832-05:00I know this is pretty out there, but have you cons...I know this is pretty out there, but have you considered contacting WP and telling them that they're complete fu- maybe not as right as they think they are? No never mind, you'd probably have to excessively polite and use a lot of effort to probably get no result.m4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-64734631416194490182015-07-29T15:16:16.575-05:002015-07-29T15:16:16.575-05:00Knives have killed more people longer than Guns. Knives have killed more people longer than Guns. Chuck-Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-53378081899360921492015-07-29T11:31:56.184-05:002015-07-29T11:31:56.184-05:00The anti gun progressive left found themselves in ...The anti gun progressive left found themselves in a quandry. There are a minimum of 500k defensive gun cases each year by FBI numbers. Other estimates reach as high as 2.5 million, as many are never officially reported. So what's a committed leftie to do? Simple, just declare that it's only a legitimate defensive use if the victim kills their attacker. Yet another typical case of the lib progs moving goal posts and changing rules on the fly when the debate doesn't go their way.<br />The UK has the kind of gun control laws our antis lust after. No handguns at all. Long arms severely restricted. Yet per 2010 UN crime statistics the UK has a violent crime rate five times what we see here in gun ridden America.<br />As for incremental new restrictions: background checks on all transfers, universal registration, mandatory training, and such; each and every one is something that they can sell as sensible, but all are intended to move the debate ever closer to their real goal, complete and total bans for everyone except a chosen few.Uncle Larhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04008207593205949098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-66701947983971257482015-07-29T11:21:13.166-05:002015-07-29T11:21:13.166-05:00Their video (the one floating around facebook) con...Their video (the one floating around facebook) contrasts how LEO and civilians (leaving aside that civilian used to be everybody not under ucmj) run through a simulator. At 29 seconds in they flash a title saying no carjacker would attack a uniformed officer but here's our simulation and note how he survives because he has "professional" "training" and apparently they didnt get the memo after Boston about all the cops who were targeted and murdered in their patrol cars. And that's just one dropping of derp in a whole mountain. It's not a "study" it's grassroots lobbying. Like a push poll.... -BoydKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-37721372245704487482015-07-29T11:13:45.390-05:002015-07-29T11:13:45.390-05:00Hey Peter;
Whenever I hear "sensible"...Hey Peter;<br /><br /> Whenever I hear "sensible" and "Common Ground" gun laws between anti's and 2nd amendment...I throw the B.S. flag. The anti's ain't giving up anything...rather than getting the whole cake...they get several slices...they still get something and we lose something. I am fed up enough I ain't giving up anymore...we have compromised and compromised until we are blue in the face...and they come back for "more sensible" restrictions....it will never end until we are totally disarmed...MrGarabaldihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05768774166065615995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-82911173345416621542015-07-29T09:06:08.520-05:002015-07-29T09:06:08.520-05:00Watch out, that's just shoddy logic as proven ...Watch out, <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2015/07/we-dont-have-nuke-problem-with-iran.html" rel="nofollow">that's just shoddy logic as proven by one of the nation's premiere Catholics</a>. ;-P<br /><br />Of course when you point out <a href="http://colossus.mu.nu/archives/343435.php" rel="nofollow">that there might be more uses for guns than you can think of</a> the anti side usually gets even angrier.Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-6576293231084233422015-07-29T07:19:26.855-05:002015-07-29T07:19:26.855-05:00That's why we call it the Washington Fish Wrap...That's why we call it the Washington Fish Wrap... sighOld NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-79846987233866362242015-07-29T06:23:55.446-05:002015-07-29T06:23:55.446-05:00"Failing to issue commands to their assailant..."Failing to issue commands to their assailants" doesn't mean that the victim couldn't use a firearm for self defense. That is a procedural issue akin to claiming that because a person who has never played American football and doesn't know what a post pattern is can't effectively run away from an assailant.<br />One example used was a trained cop drawing his gun, taking cover, and issuing verbal commands to the would-be carjacker. They they show a video of a citizen failing to do the same. Watching the video, I didn't see the cop take cover, and who cares if a private citizen issues commands? The private citizen isn't trying to arrest the attacker, only defend his own life.Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.com