tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post7315393276769715531..comments2024-03-28T09:07:09.937-05:00Comments on Bayou Renaissance Man: Renewed interest in the 10mm Auto as an optimum defensive roundPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-64109949075199405252022-02-03T06:44:49.137-06:002022-02-03T06:44:49.137-06:00Hope this doesn't repeat as I tried to post it...Hope this doesn't repeat as I tried to post it a minute ago.<br /><br />I apologize for not proofreading my post above before hitting submit.<br /><br />The Federal 9BP is of course, a 115gr JHP rather than "...155gr...".<br /><br />My bad.XTphreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02738979430811091624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-38578328292365630092022-02-01T07:47:08.007-06:002022-02-01T07:47:08.007-06:00Any time we get above 9mm .38sp we venture into th...Any time we get above 9mm .38sp we venture into the area of serious pistol shooters. Trouble is, the majority of those who go armed are required to do so by the job, not because of a love of firearms. It's why the 1911 isn't standard for LEO and still in service in our military exclusively on the special ops teams.<br />Will also note that the only viable selling point for the new .30 super carry round is that you can fit 20% more rounds into a magazine than with a .380 or 9mm. The round itself is ballistically a twin to the .32 H&R magnum. Which itself takes second fiddle to the .327 magnum.<br />And all that of course gets into the discussion of revolver vs semi auto.Uncle Larhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04008207593205949098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-74838732378568341312022-02-01T05:18:05.219-06:002022-02-01T05:18:05.219-06:00People laugh at the .40 S&W (otherwise known a...People laugh at the .40 S&W (otherwise known as .40 Short and Weak) but I like it. Terminal ballistics are equivalent to the .45 ACP and it's much easier to shoot than the 10mm. In a riot or multiple assailant situation, speed of follow-up shots may be important, in which case I would prefer the 40 to the 10.<br /><br />In he-man gun circles this is heresy. But it's similar to a situation I saw at a bowling-pin shoot. One enormous, and very nice guy, who liked to have fun, shot his 8" 500 S&W Mag revolver in the "big-bore" class against 1911s and other .45 ACPs. His first shot went "BOOM!!!", sending the first pin into orbit and the muzzle rising toward the sun; and before he could haul his sights back down onto the next target two guys with 1911s would have cleared their tables. Lots of laughs all around.Contrarian Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05694963568572098322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-5174705554691736672022-02-01T04:53:54.213-06:002022-02-01T04:53:54.213-06:00I'm not a real fan to the 10mm, unless you pla...I'm not a real fan to the 10mm, unless you plan to pair it with a carbine. Then it's nearly ideal.<br /><br />Make sure to check the 10mm ammunition you buy. A lot of them develop little more energy than good .40 S&W loads.McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192934741632433007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-40625376878246600822022-02-01T04:44:03.901-06:002022-02-01T04:44:03.901-06:00@Will: I've never shot a Coonan .357, so I ca...@Will: I've never shot a Coonan .357, so I can't speak from experience. Its grip looks to be at least as "fat" as a 10mm. 1911 design, and perhaps more so. Perhaps readers who've shot one will chime in with answers.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595089829300831372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-52888195352928889962022-02-01T01:48:21.061-06:002022-02-01T01:48:21.061-06:00Peter,
how would the Coonan .357 compare to a 10mm...Peter,<br />how would the Coonan .357 compare to a 10mm 1911? (shame the .41mag Coonan didn't pan out)Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722792638246578812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-3828337637517597512022-02-01T01:24:05.883-06:002022-02-01T01:24:05.883-06:00Buy a 45, go with real world experience and avoid ...Buy a 45, go with real world experience and avoid the BS.Buckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899433368984442375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-25951460129938765752022-02-01T01:07:35.866-06:002022-02-01T01:07:35.866-06:00Q: Where can you get 2,000 fps,from a pistol?
A: a...Q: Where can you get 2,000 fps,from a pistol?<br />A: an AR Pistol, plus 30 rnd. Mags. Short of the RIA .22 center-fire, no pistols gonna cut it. I avoid cities, and pray I'm good enough w/ my G-17 or 4".357. And I like .45s, too. 40 S&W? Less ammo, same power as a 9mm. <br />And you're not taking on a mob with anything LESS than an AR, IMO. Theres always the .44 mag, of course....John T. Blockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878974023699762981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-40772725820539951902022-01-31T19:55:18.333-06:002022-01-31T19:55:18.333-06:00Go for it! The poly Glock frame does well mitigat...Go for it! The poly Glock frame does well mitigating the recoil of true 10mm loads. My gen3 20sf is modified with a 6" KKM barrel (drop in) and a 22lb return spring. The KKM is much better on brass, more accurate, and adds well over 100fps to my handloads compared to the std 4.6 barrel. Std length barrels are also available. Polished the trigger linkage with Q-tips and Mothers, really helped with the feel right up to release. Juztahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01890802071437636883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-9843010675699667052022-01-31T19:44:50.276-06:002022-01-31T19:44:50.276-06:00@MNW
The Federal 150 gr HST gives 900 fps with muz...@MNW<br />The Federal 150 gr HST gives 900 fps with muzzle energy of 270 ft lbs.<br /><br />A Standard .38 Spl 158 gr @ 755 gives 200 ft lbs muzzle energy.<br /><br />The HST 150 gr HST Micro produces less recoil and lower muzzle flash, which to me is important as My Sig 938 is not a big gun.<br /><br />My preferred 9mm in all my other 9mm is the old Federal 155gr JHP "Classic" 9BP. Been using it since the 80's.<br /><br />1180 fps and 356 ft lbs.<br /><br />The Sig is controllable with the 9BP, muzzle flash is much greater at night.XTphreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02738979430811091624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-87933017521570490642022-01-31T15:09:05.169-06:002022-01-31T15:09:05.169-06:00I have a friend with a Glock 20 and 29.
They are ...I have a friend with a Glock 20 and 29.<br /><br />They are fun to shoot, even with full power loads. The large Glock ergos are awful for me though. The new S&W 10mm has my interest though. <br /><br />The Glock 10mms are rough on brass if you are going to load full house 10mm. RCBS make a die to iron out the bulge. Most factory target ammo is little more than .40 in a longer case. Full power 10mm is a different beast.<br /><br />My EDC for the longest time has been a LW Commander in .38 Super. A 124gr XTP at 1360 fps does a number on hogs and is only a bit snappier than 9mm. It has all the pluses and minuses of the 1911, but has been an excellent gun for me.<br /><br />I have a couple of .45s, .38s and a 9mm that I also use from time to time, but my #1 is that Colt. Present circumstances have lead to more use of the 9mm - quantity has a quality all its own. 124gr +p HST or Gold Dots are my go too for 9mm.<br /><br /><br />The note above regarding velocity is correct to my experience. Terminal effectines is a complicated topic that has been debated, at nauseum. That being said every pistol less less than every rifle. Nobody will argue that 10mm at the top when loaded to its potential.<br />MNWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03707029620445695318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-56286315862284722112022-01-31T14:45:42.040-06:002022-01-31T14:45:42.040-06:00The 9mm loads over 147gr are ment for suppressors ...The 9mm loads over 147gr are ment for suppressors and are on the same lever as a .38 special.<br /><br />The hard cast loads are meant to penitrate and will not mushroom very much, if at all. They are good for some 4 legged vermin, but less than ideal for 2. <br />MNWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03707029620445695318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-92073932811596970852022-01-31T12:56:26.341-06:002022-01-31T12:56:26.341-06:00And here I am, happy with my poor bastard .40S&...And here I am, happy with my poor bastard .40S&W as my everyday shooter.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-29480192846162685032022-01-31T12:38:58.213-06:002022-01-31T12:38:58.213-06:00Due to the onset of arthritis in my fingers, I hav...Due to the onset of arthritis in my fingers, I have switched to a Ruger Security 9, because it is hammer fired and easier for me to rack the slide than striker fired pistols are. Sadly, I also gave up my 357 revolver because I can no longer fire a double action revolver while keeping it on target, and I am not skilled enough to thumb the hammer and fire quick enough to consider that as an option. <br />Because of the deteriorating condition of my fingers, and consequently my grip, I opted to look for better 9mm ammo, instead of getting a pistol in a larger caliber. I found a 9mm 147gr +P hard cast 9mm offering from Underwood Ammo, and Buffalo Bore. I went with the Underwood Ammo because it has a polymer coating on the bullet. Then, this morning after reading this post, I did some searching and found another promising round from Seismic Ammunition that is a 9mm 185gr HP, which I am considering getting a box to try.T Townhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14856489913761588837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-85977813796370889102022-01-31T12:10:38.236-06:002022-01-31T12:10:38.236-06:00I've never been a fan of the 10MM as aside fro...I've never been a fan of the 10MM as aside from a few more rounds it wasn't leaps and bounds beyond the 45ACP. I carried a 40 S&W for over two decades and now my prior agency has gone to the 9mm. <br /><br />Honestly, I believe that the Shield Plus and Ruger LCP Plus are well paired together. If I feel the need for more then the Shield in 45 ACP will do, beyond that if I'm in a vehicle then a shotty or carbine. Sport Pilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04862280966739841769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-37862276558541849782022-01-31T11:56:02.534-06:002022-01-31T11:56:02.534-06:00In today's "supply chain" impacted m...In today's "supply chain" impacted market, I have little to no interest in adding yet another caliber to my available selections, plus reloading supplies (dies, brass, projectiles).<br /><br />A search on ammoseek.com for 10mm JHP returned results of $0.99/rd up to $3.00/rd.<br /><br />I'll stick with 9mm & .45ACP.<br /><br />I will probably go to the "<i>NY Reload</i>" and carry an extra pistol when I think I'm in any risk of a mob situation.<br /><br /><br />or have a rifle handy<br /><br /><br /><br />or stay home lolXTphreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02738979430811091624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-85842248945899010372022-01-31T11:39:47.337-06:002022-01-31T11:39:47.337-06:00I have three semi-autos chambered for the 10mm (al...I have three semi-autos chambered for the 10mm (all lost in that tragic boat accident couple years ago [MGFM]). My wife of 50 years, who's still a tall, slinky sylph, has no problem with the recoil using any of them with either commercial or my (little bit hotter) handloads, though she hates racking the slide on the Colt 'less she's wearing a glove,.boronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05780356895910449471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-37508680961098861092022-01-31T11:12:22.702-06:002022-01-31T11:12:22.702-06:00I'll stick with my 9mm, thanks. It's what ...I'll stick with my 9mm, thanks. It's what I have practiced and trained with, and right now I don't want to spend the time and money to procure and get good with another weapon. I did the Front Sight 4 day class a few months ago with my son and nephew, our 9mms had no problems unlike some heavier firearms brought by other students.<br /><br />We did a basic shoot house, and it seems that when I'm in a more 'real world' situation instead of the 2 torso shots we were trained for I go for the head. Oops. Got mildly scolded for it.tweellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164718561825615886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-47127826151124152792022-01-31T11:09:31.784-06:002022-01-31T11:09:31.784-06:00I"m with FTG... sigh... Age DOES impact our a...I"m with FTG... sigh... Age DOES impact our ability to handle the recoil of larger calibers. I'll stick with my .45 and be happy.Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-30094699753938791502022-01-31T10:47:28.844-06:002022-01-31T10:47:28.844-06:00Pushing close to 72 years old with hand nerve dama...Pushing close to 72 years old with hand nerve damage so while I would love the caliber thirty years ago, just not in my future. I rarely shoot 45acp due to hand pain but can handle some 9mm. After two magazines of 45 my neurapathy really acts up. In black bear country of Arizona I use to pack a 45 but believe a good 147gr 9mm is heavy enough too. Just my 2 cents.FTG3https://www.blogger.com/profile/01518158987823173575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-19714109137663994002022-01-31T10:47:20.048-06:002022-01-31T10:47:20.048-06:00I am an aficionado of the 10mm round for my trips ...I am an aficionado of the 10mm round for my trips into the woods of the northern Midwest area. We have significant populations of wolves and coyotes near my home and they tend to work in groups (like a furry flash mob). I have a Glock 40 which holds 15 rounds of 10mm and has a 6" barrel which improves accuracy and bullet velocity. I bird hunt with a dog and the gun is great protection for us both. <br />When I'm closer to civilization, I prefer my Glock 22 in 40 cal or if I have to be even more concealed, I have a Glock 43x. While that's a 9mm gun, it's still more effective than a kind word. <br />I have owned a number of handguns, and prefer the Glocks because I've never had one fail on me. <br />I do not find the recoil from the 10mm round to be that bad. Can I get back on target as fast as I can on my 43x? No, but my belief is that with any gun, my first shot will be my most accurate.Bob57https://www.blogger.com/profile/02177229867563806994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-24720688994807890642022-01-31T10:22:48.965-06:002022-01-31T10:22:48.965-06:00From my reading over the years, the step up in act...From my reading over the years, the step up in actual lethality occurs from projectiles traveling over 2000 FPS when they hit the threat. This appears to deform tissue beyond the elastic limit and do more damage than expected from simple projectile size alone, were projectiles under that speed tend to do their damage primarily from crushing or punching a hole.<br /><br />Yes 10mm handles intermediate barriers (auto glass or body, extremely heavy clothing, bones) better than 9mm; but in FBI testing the difference is in the single digit percentage range for most materials. Additionally, the vast majority of handgun defense loadings are designed to meet/pass the FBI spec for gel penetration so you don't see a large difference there either.<br /><br />I'm not sure I see the practical gains of going with full size 10mm vs a full size 9mm when both are loaded with modern defense ammunition. Still looking forward to what you see though.BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12189315938678079340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-79551955805307804872022-01-31T10:18:07.862-06:002022-01-31T10:18:07.862-06:00the man that killed my leo best friend took 11 .35...the man that killed my leo best friend took 11 .357 magnum rounds in the torso and still had to be tackled and held down. he lived but was paralyzed and died of old age in prison. the twelfth round went thru the truck he was trying to get another gun from. riverriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198514937704741211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-32849158571796123322022-01-31T10:14:01.143-06:002022-01-31T10:14:01.143-06:00The stronger springs may help with the recoil, but...The stronger springs may help with the recoil, but it will also likely make racking the slide more difficult. Since I suffer from beginning arthritis in my hands, I will be interested in your evaluation of 10mm pistols. <br />Have you considered testing a RIA 10mm? It is 1911 style, but with larger capacity mags.T Townhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14856489913761588837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6244999628674918029.post-5785131389345108892022-01-31T09:52:13.266-06:002022-01-31T09:52:13.266-06:00I bought a blue label glock40 several years ago. H...I bought a blue label glock40 several years ago. Holds 15 rounds which is crazy. Never jams. I have to really commit to holding it as tightly as possible, until my knuckles turn white, if I want any accuracy shooting fast. Not easy to hang on to. But it's a big gun!Marco the Labhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10123976566727977243noreply@blogger.com