The New York Post claims that "Work from home and empty offices leading to ‘doom loop’ for NYC".
Empty office buildings have set New York on an “urban doom loop” that will destroy the quality of life in the city and drive residents out.
That is the conclusion of a team of economists from NYU Stern Business School, Columbia Business School and the National Bureau of Economic Research.
Many employees who worked from home during the pandemic haven’t returned — at least not full time. In 2020, office occupancy fell from nearly 90% to 10%. But it’s only bounced back to 48.4% in New York.
In response, fewer companies are renewing their leases, which lowers the value of office buildings.
The number of newly signed lease, meanwhile, fell from 285.4 million feet per year before the pandemic to only 62.4 million feet per year in the same period after.
The researchers developed a valuation model that tells us how much these properties will be worth in six years’ time — a level of destruction that would make the Four Horsemen blush.
What does this mean for office property values overall? They get absolutely nuked.
The economists estimate the value of office stock in New York City has fallen by around $69.6 billion by the end of 2022. Owners of commercial property can only play ostrich and bury their heads in the sand for so long. At some point they will have to eat these losses.
New York isn’t the only metropolis that will experience the disaster. The economists expect the San Francisco market to lose around $32.7 billion in value, while Charlotte will lose $5.1 billion. This would be a decline in office values of 61.6% for San Francisco and 33.7% for Charlotte even if work-from-home gradually disappears.
Looking down the list, all urban America looks like it is going deeply in the red. The authors calculate that nationwide the United States will see a $506.3 billion decline in commercial property values. That puts losses at just over half a trillion dollars!
The economists point out that cities rely on property-tax revenues for much of their budget. New York City’s budget is currently around $107 billion, and around $35 billion of that comes from property. San Francisco’s much smaller budget of $6.2 billion also relies heavily on real estate, with around $2 billion coming from property taxes.
. . .
Services are cut. Taxes across the board go up. And more people flee as the city becomes even more uninviting.
New York City, together with many other urban centers, experiences Detroitification.
There's more at the link.
Working from home is no panacea, either. I've been doing it for years as a writer. It's hard to force yourself to work a normal office routine, producing output and earning a living. Many office staff now working from home are far less productive than they were in the office, simply because there's nobody directly supervising them. They're taking advantage of that to use a lot of time to take care of domestic chores, children, and so on. There's a growing number of programs that offer to automatically move your mouse cursor on your computer screen every so often, or enter random keystrokes, to fool monitoring programs into thinking that you're working, when in fact you're playing with your child or feeding your cat. I hear from some correspondents that the quality of output from many home workers is measurably lower than they produced when working at the office, but there doesn't seem to be anything their employers can do about it - because if they fire them and hire harder workers, it doesn't take long for the latter to slack off just as much as the former.
I don't know the answer to this conundrum, but I'm pretty sure we haven't found it yet.
Peter
Cameras; paid by the number of minutes the camera records you at your desk.
ReplyDeleteI live on my own. My experiences of enforced working from home in recent years strongly suggest to me that the casual interactions that take place in the office are much more important for my mental health than I had previously thought to be the case.
ReplyDeleteI will go as far as to conclude that forcing people who live on their own to work from home has the potential to isolate them in a way that is very bad for them. I would now actively advise such people against voluntarily working from home for more than a small proportion of the week.
TBH, I think a lot of companies will eventually find ways to pay by output of work rather than by time.
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly what I predicted would happen when workers and businesses forcibly discovered "work from home" during shutdown: the follow-on cratering of the commercial real estate market.
ReplyDeleteWhich leaves NYFC standing at the edge of the abyss that became Detroit, and threatens to depopulate and disenfranchise the largest black hole of Woketarded Democommunism in the hemisphere.
Bummer.
Be a real shame if NYFC stopped being the political powerhouse of NYFS.
Maybe if we pay them another $24, we can persuade Indian tribes to repopulate Manhattan Island and return it to its native state.
Think how much that would reduce carbon pollution in the region.
1) Certainly NYC and San Francisco have gone thru boom and bust cycles before as far as real estate values. Extremely overvalued to can't give it way markets for many different reasons.
ReplyDelete2) The valuation model assumes the trend continues over the time interval. That's a big assumption when looking at the historical data. The Donald's personal wealth has seen major fluctuations in his real estate portfolio.
I recall the Japanese buying underprice Manhattan real estate in the 1980's including Rockefeller Plaza.
Son works for a gov agency and they now require them to be in office 3 days a week. Employee's are not happy campers. He has lost a number of employee's due to companies offering a higher salary and work from home. As NY publishes salary schedule they know based on their qualification what they have to pay to compete. This is causing many meetings. His other office is upstate so the drain is not as bad.
ReplyDeleteIf you can work from home, Arjun in Mumbai can do your job from his home too, and for a lot less money.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'll continue my career of fixing Arjun's work because a barely literate esl 3rd worlder with a fake certificate from a fraudulent degree mill produces such low quality work that a white man with skill and experience is required to make things work anyway.
DeleteI work from home, as a Database guy, and I have since 2014. I can tell you that my work is much better than those attending endless meetings and make-work BS. Trust me, it's much better working from home. I actually get REAL work done.
ReplyDeleteYou replace the workers who won't come in, in time you have a full office again.
ReplyDeleteYou wanna eat, you're going to have to work.
Yep, hunger does make one focus on priorities, for sure!
DeleteCharlotte ran all the Normies off to the surrounding counties with high property taxes and catering to rich yuppies and poor welfare recipients. If you work in Charlotte you live somewhere else so extra taxes on other things won't hurt so bad.
ReplyDeleteThe Democrat administration can't even get the trains to run without a wreck.
I started working from home long before the scamdemic started the current trend. I find that I am more productive than I was in the office, because I no longer have people coming to my desk to socialize. I am not one to miss the social aspects of working in an office. If not for my wife's objections, I would gladly move to a desolate location to live. Of course, as the world gets more insane, my wife is starting to come around to my point of view about moving to a less populated area.
ReplyDeleteThis is causing the collapse of commercial mortgage backed securities which is the under pinning of a majority of banks. If you thought the home mortgage securities collapse in 2007-2009 was fun, wait till this clears out the economy.
ReplyDeleteLast corporate job I was in (pre-pandemic) the performance metrics showed me putting out double the results of any other teammate. Yet I was required to put in just as much overtime in the interest of appearances and fairness. One department had to work Saturday a few times to catch up, but other departments were forced to come in as well, even if their jobs couldn’t be done on a Saturday. So more than half the workforce sat at their desk twiddling thumbs, and only hourly guys were compensated for it. So why bother?
ReplyDeleteI enjoy working from home but I'm much more task oriented. Work hard to get the task done before the deadline and then sit on it until the deadline approaches.
ReplyDeleteAn average office worker barely does three hours of work during an 8 hour stay in the office. The balance is consumed by endless, useless meetings, socializing, playing facebook games, etc. "Butts in chairs" is a poor measure of productivity.
ReplyDeleteIf you are concerned about the productivity of your remote workers, pay on performance. If I can accomplish a day's task load in two hours, the six hours of leisure I get is my reward. Or, if you insist on 8 daily work hours no matter what, the guy who has 10x the productivity should have 10x the compensation.
Boomers have stockholm syndrome for disfunctional dilbert offices.
My office went WFH in March '20, came back "1 or 2" days a week last November.
DeleteI have fieldwork in snow-off season, number crunching and prep for next season in the rest of the year.
Mumbai can't do it, the work got done just as well from home, the boss says it's stupid to pack the laptop, external drives and all the other shit we need for one day a week, but it's policy.
There are 3 open positions out of 17 positions in our office that can't get filled because skilled people are still WFH, and I've been there for 3.5 years and 7 people have been there longer than me.
Office work is busy-work for the most part, my job like most jobs are absolutely not necessary, and I welcome the cleansing fire of mass chaos to clean out this retarded forest of automatons (NPCs) in all walks of life.
This movement has been glacial in process and then had a big lump of tnt and a fuse put under it with Covid and going along with the over 1/2 of boomers having retired. BoomerGen loved the office. Gen-X HATES offices. (source:am one).
ReplyDeleteDid 3 months from home during Plandemic, worked out great here in AK. Zeihan was talking about this exact thing earlier this week on his daily talk. Data supports this big time. We've had the work from home for 20 years available, been supporting systems for it for years.
Welcome to the party pal!
/sarcasm, You all already knew all that.
Working from home is no big deal as long as you manage the employees correctly. If your employees are slacking from home then you're not setting appropriate expectations or supervising their output correctly.
ReplyDeleteForcing tech workers into cattle cars (public transit) and then into stalls (cubicles) is no way to get better work.
My productivity has gone up 20%+ since I started working from home. I split the difference in time saved commuting with my employer and everyone's happy.
I chose to retire rather than return to the office building that my employer owned in pricey Arlington VA, after working remotely for about 18 months when they kicked us all out of the office building because of covid.
ReplyDelete(I would have gone back except I had sold my place in Alexandria and moved 200 miles away to rural VA where my 2nd home/retirement destination was.) So it really just accelerated my plans, rather than change them.
My guess is that high quality workers will find ways to continue to work from home, either as contractors or under special dispensation or just launching their own businesses. The ones with no leverage will be forced back to the offices. The alternative is the one mentioned above; if they can figure out a way to measure output, and pay be that. Piece-work, if you will. However, there are a lot of jobs that are not adaptable to that model. And many jobs are hard to quantify the impact, because they support the customer-facing groups.
The bottom line is that commercial/office real estate will lose a lot of value.
Management by results requires defining the important performance metrics then acting on them. Managing by meat in the seats is MUCH easier and allows the kinds of stupidity Anon @ 11:27 talks about. I work in technical sales and we have easy metrics: Sales revenue booked, Shipped Revenue, and Shipped Gross Profit. Nobody cares when I'm at my desk as long as the quotes go out correctly and the products ship and install on time.
ReplyDeleteI used to work in a million square foot 5 building office complex in Irvine, CA and during the pandemic there were more building staff on site than tenants, there were maybe 5 people in my building. Post-pandemic the parking lot is still mostly empty but I have moved out to work from home. There are only about 3 people now in an office that once hosted 20.
Jonathan: "...it's much better working from home. I actually get REAL work done." That's my experience too - I'm much more productive working from home, where I'm not distracted by office gossip or people stopping by to chat. I find I can accomplish any meaningful interaction with online meetings, emails, instant messaging, and phone calls. As for social interaction, if I never experience another office party, that's fine with me (if I really miss office birthday parties, I can always eat a piece of stale cake and sing "Happy Birthday").
ReplyDeleteStarted working from home for one company a long time before Covid. Had zero problems with logging in and working full time. Actually got more work done because of the dearth of non-work related interruptions and pointless meetings.
ReplyDeleteYes, there are some who need to have a manager watching over their shoulder before they settle down, but that type of atmosphere can create its own toxic problems.
I have worked from home for my last three jobs (computer security) and there are both advantages and disadvantages.
ReplyDeleteyes, you aren't stuck running from meeting room to meeting room all day, but continuous zoom calls aren't a lot better
The biggest problem is the lack of just hearing what's going on around you, learning the company (and the job for younger workers) by just overhearing the discussions. That said, I've worked in offices where people wear headphones all day long and communicate with the people sitting next to them via chat/email
At this point, if a company wants me in the office, they will need to pay me more than if I work from home (and a lot more if they want me to work in an office in San Francisco rather than living 600 miles away)
I don't have much sympathy for the downspiral of the cities, but if companies are suffering from people not getting as much done, then they need to start paying based on productivity, not just years on the job. To do that without getting sued out of business, they are going to need to be able to measure that productivity.
David Lang
If a job performance or bonus is measured by x number of widgets produced per hour, then that should be the metric whether from office or home. If WFH results in reduced widgets per hour, then the company might be justifiably upset. But if they want 8 hours of work making say 10 widgets per hour, then what they want is 80 widgets per day. So if a worker can do it on salary in 4 hours per day, there should be no reason to object. There are situations like customer service that require all widgets handled for a set amount of hours, but are those widgets of measurably different quality whether from home or office? As a former business owner, I’d rather get high quality of work from employees than a large volume of poorer quality work. A salaried position should reward innovation and efficiency either in bonuses or reduced time requirement.
ReplyDeleteFor NYC it's a LOT more than just the rent death cycle. NYC was turning into a shithole long before covid hit, this just accelerated the problem. I wouldn't live in, ir even visit NYC for anything.
ReplyDeleteTo summarize-task oriented introvert with work ethic, work from home is great. Anyone else, not so much.
ReplyDeleteCareful with the concept of paying by the accomplishment. Too many people like to use easy metrics, but not meaningful ones.
Want to solve a great many issues - Limit employers to only 50 people and No remote work. And this is quite practical. By forcing CEO's to know everyone and work with them every day a great many problem people will be fired. For large projects you would have many subcontractors.
But- HEY!
ReplyDeleteNow Eric Addams has plenty of floors to stockpile all the illegals we keep sending him from Texas :-)
@Rob,
ReplyDeleteYou're assuming a host of things that quite pointedly ain't so.
1) You're assuming that the company can spare the workers it gets rid of.
2) You're assuming that hordes of competent replacements are just itching to get in the game.
3) You're overlooking the cost to sever the former employees (which only hurts the bottom line, to no good end), and the opportunity cost of searching for, finding, hiring, and training up new employees until they get to where the severed employees were, in level of function and output.
4) You're assuming the company's competitors will sit still while they falter, and worse, will not immediately hire the employees let go by the first company, to achieve a function leap over the company doing the replacement.
You might could fight a battle by jumping on another horse mid-battle when your original one is shot out from under you.
Employees, however, bring more to the contest than horses do.
The people a company can sort-of afford to fire are the low-skill idjits.
That's not people working from home.
And even firing low-skill idjits from McJobs just drives sales and market share to companies who keep their idjits.
Please bear in mind, you're trying to replace pistons while the engine is running. Cavalier "Let them eat cake!" suggestions like yours are occasionally followed by midwit management. And they kill businesses every day, and have since ever.
I'd suggest a serious rethink.
Starting with less stick, more carrot.
I too love when Arjun calls in from home in Hyderabad wanting me to so him how to do his job. There is that nice ambience of roosters crowing and macaques chittering in the background.
ReplyDeleteAesop-
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming that when the company says "come in or get fired" they were serious.
@anonymous - you put a camera in my office. that's fine, but don't complain when I tell you that my office is clothing optional.
ReplyDelete@anonymous #2 - I disagree. I've been working from home for more than a decade haven't had any problems that smoking a cigarette with my eyes closed won't fix.
@unknown - No, Arjun in Bombay cannot. His english language skills are not good enough.
@rob - Two things. First, their pool of workers are all coming off of two years of work from home. Second, why? Rate your employees by their contributions to your business, not by how often you walk by their office (ha, cubicle) and see them typing away on a computer.
@johnathan - databases are software, and no software developer needs to be in an office with other software developers in order to work. If you support the hardware (servers, routers, firewalls, etc) you can't get out of going into an office/data center on occasion, if only to meet your 3rd party support engineer at the front desk so they can fix the hardware.
@anonymous - I agree. My grand plan is a tent on a beach in the south pacific with Starlink internet, a box of laptops, and enough solar panels to charge them daily.
@James - yes, the idiots are running the asylum...
@anonymous - sitting on it until the deadline means you're just as worthless as the manager who want workers in offices.
@Winterborn - We've had work from home available since the early 1990's when ISDN became available. There were geographic restrictions (you had to live within a certain distance of a phone company central office) but there was nothing I couldn't do that didn't require me to touch a server, switch, router, or other physical thing.
@david lang - Agreed.
@Xoph - welcome to the year 1255. I think you'll find we've progressed quite a ways since then.