So Russian warlord Yevgeni Prigozhin is dead. Hardly surprising (I, along with almost every other commenter, predicted that after his abortive coup attempt two months ago). The only unexpected thing about it is that it took Russia's President Putin this long to arrange it. I note that most of the Wagner Group leadership were also on the plane. Perhaps he was waiting to collect all their scalps at one fell swoop. (However, I'm sorry for the crew of the aircraft, which was provided by a private agency. If I'd been any one of them, I'd have resigned immediately rather than serve on board Prigozhin's aircraft, because I'd have been very aware of his diminished life expectancy, and wouldn't have wanted mine to diminish along with his.)
So . . . what next?
- Ukraine had found the Wagner Group to be a thorn in its side on the battlefield. Wagner was more aggressive, more ruthless and more determined than most of the Russian armed forces in its attacks. Ukraine will be hoping that the surviving Wagner forces will disintegrate after the death of their founder, or at the very least become less effective if they're forced under Russian military control as just another unit. I'm not so sure about either expectation. Time will tell. On the other hand, if I were wearing Wagner patches on my uniform (particularly if I held middle- to senior-level rank in that organization), I'd know that will automatically make my loyalty suspect as far as Putin and his FSB are concerned. I might be more likely to find myself used as convenient cannon fodder rather than trusted to make a meaningful contribution to the war effort.
- Wagner Group has literally tens of thousands of fighters deployed in many countries, including several in Africa. It's provided "security services" (i.e. thugs for hire) to more than a few questionable regimes, including perpetrating atrocities against local tribes and groups on behalf of ruling minorities. It's also exploited natural resources, including gold and diamond mining, for its own benefit in payment for its services. It's entrenched in those countries, and its operatives there won't want to go back to a Russia that may be less welcoming than they'd prefer. What will become of them? I suspect chaos and anarchy in the countries where they're deployed as Wagner puts its own interests ahead of its hosts'.
- I think any intelligence agency worth its salt must be trying with might and main to recruit "sources" among Wagner's employees, offering not just cash for information, but a "guaranteed" get-out-of-Russia escape route if Putin demonstrates further hostile intentions towards them or their organization. Some of them are former Spetsnaz operators; others are former KGB/FSB operatives; still others are military veterans. Anyone in those categories, particularly senior personnel, is likely to be a fount of useful information as to what's really going on inside Russia (including its attempts to bust sanctions), and the progress and future intentions of the Ukraine operation. On the other hand, if I were in Russia's FSB, I'd be seriously thinking about "house-cleaning" any and all such potential traitors as a preemptive measure. That would be nothing new for Russia, of course. They've done it for centuries, long pre-dating the Communist regime of the defunct Soviet Union.
- As far as the average Russian is concerned, I'm not sure that this will bolster Putin's image as a decisive leader. He should have moved against Prigozhin immediately after the latter's abortive coup attempt. He didn't. That was an unmistakeable indication of weakness to a Russian populace that's accustomed to ruthless, merciless leaders who won't tolerate opposition. He's acted now - but will that be too late to restore his image in his people's eyes? I suspect it will. I think he's damaged himself by waiting this long. Can he repair that damage? We'll have to wait and see.
- I think there are enough Prigozhin loyalists, in Wagner and elsewhere, who will be left angry and bitter over his death. I fully expect some of them to try to act against Putin and his puppets as a result. Putin's inner circle is small, and there are few prospective successors waiting in the wings for any of them to die. A few strategically directed assassination attempts could destabilize the central Russian government, at least temporarily, and offer opportunities to that country's enemies (including Ukraine). The FSB and other Russian agencies will, of course, be on full alert to detect and stop such attacks; but is the FSB itself fully reliable? Can all its personnel be trusted? After Prigozhin's mutiny, Putin's got to be wondering that right now.
Winston Churchill famously described the Soviet Union as "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma". Its successor, Russia today, is still that way. Nobody knows for sure what Prigozhin's death will mean in the long term. I suspect it's going to be more than a little interesting - in the sense of the fabled Chinese curse - to find out.
Pass the popcorn.
Peter
Putin has done things before to confuse the other intell/analyst of the world before and there was two of the exact same birds fling.If we do not see the man on the battlefield for 6/8 months then he's gone.
ReplyDeletePass the popcorn?
ReplyDeleteWell, if this stays inside Russia that sounds good.
Assuming that Putin did it for the "munity "is an interesting viewpoint as some feel that the Western "Intelligence" was played by Wagner and Co.
Ask Cui Bono when things are unclear. Wagner was the most successful unit against the Ukrainians. Now there is *Again* HOPE that some internal distress will topple Putin.
Time will tell, I am hoping the more hardliners in Russia don't gain the power to nuke the annoying Proxy Warlords of the West.
Putin's plan seems to be outwait the Americans like the Afghans did.
Revelations 18 comes to mind:
9 “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’
Hypersonics anyone?
You read waaaay too much western media. Its corrupted your thinking. They have clouded your vision with their lies and propaganda.
ReplyDeleteMost of the leadership on the plane - how odd. Most large companies I know about insist that they split up onto several flights in order to avoid a leadership crisis in case one plane goes down.
ReplyDeleteagain, the mutiny was not against putin, but the army leadership or lack there of. wagner took an r and r, the people made a parade out of it complete with ladies putting flowers in their tank guns. took the cia bounty, embarrassed them. they didn't appreciate the humor. western media is new pravda. they're still telling us ukraine is winning.
ReplyDeleteDoes Putin care what his people think as long as he is in control?
ReplyDeleteIt makes no sense though. Think about this for a moment. Prigozhin was extremely careful and paranoid. I remember reading about how he would use disguises to move about, always changing them. Now examine the "assassination" He was listed as being on the flight manifesto, along with most of the Wagner Group leadership who were on the same flight. .... What part of any of that matches? Someone who disguises himself to avoid flying lead would not list his name on a flight manifesto. Also you were former military, what part of Most of the Wagner Group leadership were also on the plane sounds even remotely true? They aren't at peace, they are at War fighting an enemy who is a proxy of multiple world powers who have lets say a history of assassination attempts. It makes no sense at all. To have most of your leadership bunched together on a single small private plane, rather than spreading them out over a handful of planes. The guy has an army, you can't tell me he only had a single transport available.
ReplyDeleteMy two cents is this. During the so called coup, Russia in the confusion was able to shift troops around without raising any alarm. We just know a few choppers were shot down, no reports on numbers or model. Almost no one was killed either. Then suddenly it was over, Wagner was redeployed to Belarus, the Ukrainians who attempted to take advantage of the "Chaos" were beaten back bloody, Russian troops are now on Russia's border or at least closer to the border. Yet now we are supposed to believe the majority of Wagner's leadership got killed off while on a single small private plane all together?
Last point. Wagner is like Blackwater, both are mercenary groups in name only. If a serious war started, and while the Ukraine War is a war, it hasn't spiraled out of control to the level of a total war yet, then both would be automatically folded back into their respective countries. Think French foreign legion. Yes they are technically mercenaries, but at the end of the day they are a deniable branch of the French military. Both Blackwater and Wagner are the same. So to me this has all the hallmarks of an intel op. Though if its aimed at internal traitors, Ukrainian troops, or Western Intel groups, I haven't the foggiest. But I suspect we will find out he and the command is still alive in the next few months. - W
I think your third point is spot on. CIA and whoever else open their piggy banks for whoever wants to come to Ukraine and sit the rest of the conflict out. Bonus money for those who bring their heavy equipment with them.
ReplyDeleteI doubt there will be any revenge acts on Putin unless you consider the odd FSG/KGB officer that falls under a tank or shoots himself in the back of the head. Wagner employees are mercs and fought for the money.
What happens to the Wagner folks overseas now?
Shot down by 'air defense command'... and took out the top 3 at Wagner. Prigozhin shouldn't have stopped before he got to Moscow, THAT was his mistake.
ReplyDeleteIf this causes Putin some headaches, he may just decide to give the West and Ukraine the same headache, if they aren't willing to negotiate a peace. Decapitating the Ukrainian leadership would probably sow the same discord and chaos with Russia's enemies. The rough and tumble competition for the graft and payola would be epic among the Ukrainians.
ReplyDeleteOnce this all plays out, it will become the source material of a long movie. Possibly called "The 47,000 Ronin".
ReplyDeleteI called you. Call back if you want to chat about the precipitating factor that led to the demise of Prigozhin and friends.
ReplyDeleteWagner had been a thorn to Ukraine.
ReplyDeleteYou really think Putin, by assasinating Priozhin, did a solid for Ukraine?
I won't expect hard evidence to come that Prigozhin is dead, nor that Putin arranged that. But lacking that evidence and knowing the value of propaganda and that media lies, I doubt we know, or woll know, much about it.
Per Daily Mail: "The stewardess (K. Poposova) had reportedly told family (social media post) members the plane was delayed due to a technical inspection and undisclosed repairs".
ReplyDeleteHonest to God, you people thinking Putin did this are, "all eaten up" by your anti-Putin mania.
IMO this was either UKR Intel or CIA (hello Nordstream) bomb placed on board. Video of plane free falling does NOT show a vapor trail from a SAM.
UKR wanted to have a Ukrainian Independence Day "strike" at the guy who shamed them at Bakhmut/Artemovsk by slaughtering 10-25K UKR soldiers using the infamous jailhouse convicts (remember?).
If Putin wanted to shut up Prigozhin he could have just as easily arrested him, put him on "trial", strip him of assets and send him to jail for 20 years. You guys think this is some '30s Stalin purge. Putin's not going to do the knuckle dragging mass murder, including innocent crew, just "to send a message". Y'all reading too damn much '60s spy novel crap.
Another "tell" is the hype in western media today of a "supersekret elite" UKR commando "attack" on Crimea, supposedly against RUS S400. It was a dozen guys in a dinghy.
All this was timed for UKR independence day to distract from the slaughter of UKR troops and to distract from the failure of their 85day offensive only today managed to capture Robotyne.
Lots of "opinion" pieces in various Western media have started to come out about pitiful offensive gains & piss poor UKR prospects in this war.
It's just astonishing to read some of the stuff
To all those blaming Ukraine or anyone other than Putin: Put a sock in it, folks. We know propaganda when we see it. The old question remains: Cui bono? Who benefits? The answer to that question demonstrates pretty clearly where responsibility lies.
ReplyDeleteAlso, there are things in the background that I'm not going to talk about, but those "in the know" are aware of them. They make this much more likely to be a Putin strike, in an effort to stop certain things happening. Further deponent sayeth naught.