I was interested to read Big Country's perspective on the utility of infantry in an age of drone warfare, as epitomized by what we're seeing from Ukraine. He says bluntly that "The Infantry Is Dead (For Now)". Go read his views. (Language warning: his article is not family-friendly - but then, neither is warfare.)
Having seen combat in an earlier age of warfare, where the quantity and quality of "boots on the ground" made the difference between victory and defeat, I have a certain amount of sympathy with his views. However, I suspect that the present situation is going to be relatively short-term. Right now we have commercial drones being weaponized, equipped with explosive devices that can be dropped on enemy vehicles and positions (even individual soldiers) almost with impunity. There's no real defense against them unless your soldiers are equipped with sights for their rifles designed to allow them to shoot down the drones concerned. (Israel offers perhaps the best-known example. It's currently being field-tested by several other countries, including multiple users in the US armed forces.)
I suspect the very near future is going to see three developments that will change the picture.
- Both sides will field drones simultaneously against each other's soldiers. Thus, an attacking force might target defenders using drones, but the defending force will do exactly the same to the attackers. We'll have drones dropping explosives all over the place, making it very hard to know who sent which drone to do what to whom. It'll add greatly to the confusion of any battlefield.
- Electronic and other counter-measures are going to proliferate like mad. That's already happening, but today's relatively primitive systems are going to multiply and become ubiquitous. I can foresee every soldier, and every vehicle, carrying a "personal jammer" to deflect drone attacks. Those, in turn, will probably become targeting aids for drones, which will be able to home on a jamming signal and drop something nasty on its source (already a major factor in airborne and missile warfare). Nevertheless, it's probably inevitable.
- I predict we'll see new drones designed to do nothing but hunt down the other side's drones. Think World War I. Initially, aircraft were used only for reconnaissance, finding out what the enemy was up to. In due course, the first bombs were dropped, to disrupt what the enemy was doing. To stop both activities, fighter aircraft were designed to stop enemy aircraft from doing their thing. I think we'll see "fighter drones" coming down the pike, to do precisely the same thing in modern terms. I'll be very surprised indeed if they're not already being developed, along with weapons to equip them for that task.
Once we get to that point, the question becomes "How will infantry or armored vehicles be able to operate at all on a battlefield where any and every movement attracts hostile attention?" At present, nobody is able to answer that question. We may see unmanned vehicles and robotic "infantry" becoming ubiquitous, because losing a machine is cheaper and more sustainable than losing a highly trained (and therefore expensive) individual soldier or crew. On the other hand, if the drones spend all their time looking for and fighting each other, perhaps the footsloggers can sneak through undetected. Who knows?
I'm glad I'm not a soldier in today's military. I'd hate being drone fodder.
Peter
Right now, the US military is fielding the the switchblade drone. It's all of 5 pounds in weight, and can attack non-armored targets. To attack the tanks, there is theswitchblade 600 at twice the weight.
ReplyDeleteHow long before civilian drones are weaponized by other countries & groups, and used.
What about anti-drone drones? We've had heat seeking missiles for half a century and radar seeking missiles for just about as long. When you say radar seeking you could just as easily say any radio seeking. We don't need to have optical cameras and an image processor deciding what's a drone and what's a bird, but that could be a step along the way. All of those technologies could work as well as others.
ReplyDeleteAdds a thought to "On the other hand, if the drones spend all their time looking for and fighting each other, perhaps the footsloggers can sneak through undetected. "
Those exist. The Raytheon Coyote Block II is an example. For short range anti-drone and mortar defense, high-energy laser systems are likely the path forward. Many are in development, with DE-MSHORAD being the example that's farthest along. Anti-drone drones are too expensive to be an exclusive way of addressing the issue.
Deletewe are all grunts now. the war will be here any day, and with it the drones. skynet is in the gestation phase. all is lost, but we will fight on anyway. its better than bending knee at least.
ReplyDeleteThe advantages in military technology have always shifted back and forth between the offense and defense. The tactics often take a while to adjust. Foe example the change from the smooth bore musket to the rifled one made the attacker far more vulnerable as was shown in America's Civil War over and over again. The same lessons were taught to the British by the Boers. The First World War showed that in the beginning the lessons still hadn't sunk in hadn't for the generals. Eventually lessons were learned and tactics adjusted, except for maybe the Japanese in World War II.
ReplyDeleteI'll bet there was "that's the end of infantry" talk when machine guns came out.
ReplyDeleteDistributed manufacturing on the spot will make attacks against the logistical tail more important. And me, too. Hate to be a TC on an M1 waiting for a drone to try to drop a grenade down my hatch. I suspicion fighting buttoned up at all times with remote sensing capabilities will become more important. Add beefed up top armor and we approach immobile bunkers.
ReplyDeleteDropping grenades from above ... an umbrella over the hatch might offer some protection (bounce it to a side?) until "they" get the timing down on the dropped grenades.
ReplyDeleteReminds me of "The Two Faces of Tomorrow" by James Hogan.
ReplyDeleteAnd things like this are why we need to seriously get into armored 120mm gun-mortar vehicles like the Finnish NEMO or Swedish Mjolnir, and deploy them at the company level, along with EW/DF platforms and real air defense. Can't control the UAV when you have rounds impacting on your position. Can't control the UAVs when every battalion has jamming assets. UAVs have a hard time getting through a flak barrage - and we've had proximity fuses down to 40mm since 1943. (And isn't the new IFV supposed to have a gun in the 35mm - 50mm range?)
ReplyDeleteBut is the Army working on *any* of this? Hardly. Not enough graft and kickbacks. Not sexy enough. Too effective.
ButButButBut...!!!
ReplyDeleteDer Drone Zeppelin Kommandur assured us most vigorously and stridently that this is ALL...UNPOSSIBLE!!!
Who are you going to believe? BCE, ten thousand YouTube videos, and your lying eyes, or Der Foremost Dröne Expurt In Der Vorld!!!!!
I see it as marking an end to "battlefields."
ReplyDeleteWe'll simply move to attacking and defending our societies' points of interest and value instead of trying to surround them with a boundary that we call a battlefield.
Eventually, we'll have to simply outlaw radio transmission if we wish to live safe lives.
Radio hier! Radio da!
ReplyDeleteJamming won't mean jack when they're all autonomous. Anyway a swarm can communicate by low power LED laser, or at much lower data rate by (just pulling this out of my posterior without any thought) modulating rotor speeds -- running an FFT on video of a neighbouring drone is a few lines of Python code. Rest is public domain libs. You just set up the calls. Or they could all have MIDI chips and 'sing' to each other. Plus play Ride of the Valkyries.
Talking of asymmetry, here's one not all of you might be aware of: AI model training vs AI model application.
*Training* models requires huge datasets and insane levels of computing horsepower -- data centres full of top-end NVIDIA hardware plus Megawatts to power and cool the process.
*Running* a trained and validated model in the field requires just the model description produced by the training and the real world / real time input data. Can run this on an iPhone (huge overkill often) grade processor. Advanced yes, but commodity hardware... and Milliwatts to Watts.
Means: The amount of AI processing power on a small autonomous battery-powered cheap device can be far greater than layperson might expect.
Also everything is COTS. And lightning fast small run contracts manufacturing is for the taking if you have the cash. You can bet Shenzhen is crawling with Russians and Ukrainians doing just that as we speak. Can be done without Raytheon Cost Plus contracting and Senatorial kickbacks.--> Expect innovation to be VERY rapid.
Re Rapid Innovation, something for readers of this blog's persuasion to further consider. Do you think that AntiFA will have any difficulty at all in getting *their* autonomous drone models trained for free on Amazon, Microsoft, FaceBook, Apple, Google's humungously provisioned AI training hardware? Who *you* gonna call to get yours done?
Swarm 'tech' already exists... just sayin...
ReplyDeleteThere's also a bias in what you are seeing. Every drone has a camera, so it's only natural that much of the footage the public gets to see shows drones in action. That's not to say drones aren't having an impact, but they're probably getting a disproportionate share of the attention.
ReplyDeleteTime for the laser defenses and EMP weapons to appear on the battlefield.
ReplyDeleteThe Infantry is NOT going away. It's roll and methodologies will change. But then they have always been subject to change from one war to the next. But drones are NOT going to "hold captured ground" which is still a part of warfare.
ReplyDeleteMan-portable EMP devices? Drones, especially commercial ones, may be too small to harden. Set down a box, pull the pin, ZZZZZTTTT! and all the drones fall out of the sky.
ReplyDeleteSo far, all battlefield stuff. I'm wondering how any army will occupy a country after it has won on the field. Let's say for example that Russia beat the UKR army and occupies the country full of resentful Ukrainians. Including all the drone operators who improvised so well in the war. Wherever your troops go, wherever they stop, wherever they sleep they are subject to attack 24/7. And that is over and above the IEDs and left-over ATGMs and manpads. It makes occupation if not impossible then prohibitive. You'd need to go all SS on them and that didn't totally work for the SS in the 40s.
ReplyDeleteIt will occur to the brass to use high altitude airburst nuclear weapons to cover the entire battle area and the enemy rear with EMP effects.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson. It covered nano warfare which is probably the next technical leap to get over the effects of ubiquitous killer drones.
I feel sorry for the US Military. The drone war requires a near infinite number of cheap attack drones which are 100% expendable but that won't be what the major corporations and their lobbyists will want to research and procure. Nope, you can bet it all that they will downselect the $billion dollar/drone approach for the 80 foot drone that does everything, none of nearly well enough and will only by 6, 3 for PACOM and three for EUCOM.
I haven't researched it yet but move the drone C2 to spread spectrum and I would like to see how anyone jams it.
One of the other concerns is that our C2 cannot encompass detect to engage in anything like real time yet drones must be destroyed on detection and that means shooting into the JSOA and all along and just behind the FEBL.
All kinds of technology, etc. etc. But......being able to "address the problem" from 800 to 1200 meters will offer a quality all its own.
ReplyDelete@HMS Defiant: "I haven't researched it yet but move the drone C2 to spread spectrum and I would like to see how anyone jams it."
ReplyDeleteThe way the Russkies already jam spread spectrum comms - by pumping enough kilowatts into the entire (already known and rather limited) spectrum. "Quantity has a quality all its own."