Thursday, December 12, 2024

Are our smaller towns declining, too?

 

The fertility rate in any developed nation needs to be 2.1 (meaning that every woman has to produce at least two children - more in a less developed nation with poorer medical and support infrastructure), in order to keep population size stable.  For the past few decades, fertility rates have been tumbling in all developed countries, without exception.  For some, such as South Korea, they're so low (currently 0.9) as to ensure effective depopulation within a century, unless something is done to reverse the situation.  (The US is currently at 1.7.)  Migration is supposed to help bolster the fertility rate by bringing in more people, but it seldom works that way.

Greece is currently seeing the effects of its low fertility rate in the collapse of many of its rural areas.


Greece is home to one of the lowest fertility rates in Europe: At 1.3, it is half that recorded in 1950 and well below the 2.1 required for population replacement.

Last year, the country recorded just over 71,400 births, the lowest number since records began almost a century ago, and down around 6% on 2022. Greece now has around one birth for every two deaths, and the share of the population aged over 65 is nearly twice that aged 0 to 14.

That prompted Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis to warn of an “existential” threat to Greek society, with the country more disposed than most to wider demographic shifts afflicting developed nations.

“The truth is that today our people are among the most elderly in Europe,” Mitsotakis said last year, speaking at a Greek demographic conference.

It’s an issue affecting some pockets of the Greek mainland and its vast archipelago more than others.

“This population decline is not manifested equally throughout the country,” Mitsotakis continued. “It has peaks in specific areas and this means that national strategies are not sufficient and local provisions are also needed, with the overall demographic collapse literally becoming an existential bet for our future.”

That decline is most visible through the emergence of scores of ghost towns and villages — locations with none or virtually nil inhabitants, deserted as local populations leave or die out. It can be difficult to quantify the exact number of such locations, given their often remote nature, but recent estimates put the figure of entirely abandoned towns and villages close to 200.

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Greece’s recent demographic decline can be largely traced back to the country’s sovereign debt crisis of 2009. Resultant bailout programs sparked years of austerity and financial woe for the country, with the economy contracting by as much as a quarter over the ensuing decade.

Young people were among the hardest hit by the downturn, with youth unemployment peaking at 59.5% in the first quarter of 2013 — more than twice the national high of around 27%.

As a result, many were unable to forge new lives outside of their family homes. Of those who did, many did so overseas, with an estimated more than 400,000 people — or 9% of the workforce — emigrating over the period. Much of the remainder relocated to Greece’s big cities, in search of better work and education.

Today, more than half (53.5%) of the Greek population lives in the capital, Athens, and the surrounding Attiki region, as well as the country’s second-largest city, Thessaloniki. Meanwhile, all other regions, including Greece’s prized islands, have recorded population decline over the past several years.


There's more at the link.

We're seeing something similar in parts of the USA, too.  Many towns have shuttered their schools, or drastically reduced them in size, because not enough children are being born to make full use of them.  Older children who leave to study at college or university aren't coming back to small towns, but are staying in larger cities where there are more jobs and amenities to be found.  In the area of North Texas where I live, that's alleviated because smaller towns often serve as dormitory communities for larger metropolitan areas, but even so, there are probably two towns in decline for every one that's holding its own, population-wise.

I'm interested to find out whether this phenomenon is affecting the USA as a whole.  Dear readers, would you please let us know in Comments whether the small towns near you are thriving, holding position, or declining?  That can apply to economics, population, or other issues.  By putting your inputs together, we can get a better picture.

Thanks!

Peter


40 comments:

  1. People are reading the headlines.

    Bringing kids into the world as it is, especially with the types of women we have to do it with, isn't viable anymore.

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    1. People have been saying that for all of human history. Fun fact, Admiral Nelson's wife stopped having sex with him for that reason. The scandal involving him and his mistress, which badly damaged his career, probably changed history.

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  2. Keep in mind Peter is that many people leave small towns do to lack of opportunity. Same thing happens when people leave repressive states in the North and relocate usually to the South. Birth rate is an issue but keeping young folks down on the farm plays a much bigger role.

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  3. The small towns in Cochise County AZ (Douglas, Bisbee, Willcox) are all down in population 2010 t0 2020. Benson and Sierra Vista being exceptions which I attribute to retirees moving in. The total for the county is also down so the rural areas are also loosing population.

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    1. Some growth in both contractors and the number of Soldiers assigned at Ft Huachuca has led to localized growth in Cochise County….mostly Sierra Vista, Whetstone, and Hereford….some decrease in ranching and tourism dollars in the rural areas and Tombstone… unknown how much of what we see is affected by illicit cross border activity

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  4. You go through Iowa and any town with less that 1500 people does not have a school. Only thing you will find in smaller towns could be a church or bar. Usually two bars to one church. And those are slowly drying up as well. Could see it start in the 60 when not enough jobs sent the kids to the nearest larger town.

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  5. Here in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan the population is growing rapidly. People moving in from the cities south of here a lot of what is retirement and work from home. A friend at the local title company told me that this year they have done real estate closings for buyers from 32 other states. I am constantly having phone calls, letters, and people knocking on the door wanting me to sell them a piece of my farm which I won't do. And most of us aren't happy about it. ---ken

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  6. The issue that concerns me is that when the fertility rate drops too low, that part of the geography that depopulates doesn't stay depopulated for very long. Outsiders, intruders, illegal immigrants, and invaders start to flood in and fill the void being left. The social structure then decays, and those left of the original population find themselves in foreign hostile territory in their own country.

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  7. My area is going through some aggressive expansion thanks to invading Californians, but also the average size of the families in my neighborhood is 3-6 children, with some having even more. We're also a majority LDS population. The local school just added on. When I was going to school there, they had three trailers for extracurriculars; they took them away for a while, but they're back up to one trailer, and they keep building more secondary schools as well as adding on to existing ones.

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  8. I lived and worked most of my life, in and around Detroit Mi. so my definition of small town may be skewed. I currently live in Midland Mi. pop. 42k, unemployment 3.3%, median income about 99k. We have jobs here, it seems like every other person I meet works for dow, mid michigan medical or schools. This is home of Northwood University.

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  9. Our town suffered lost due to F4 tornado. We had a county population of over 39k but it's now at 36K. So the people have left the county to go lives elsewhere. And not coming back.

    Cities and towns just can't seem to focus on child care. You have 2 under 5 and it's $800 at least if not more. But employers are also a factor. You have to drop the kids off at 0 dark hundred to be able to clock in my 8. Then if your late picking up your child by even 5 minutes it's $25 fine. We have 2 empty schools in this town. Why can't the city rent them for $1. per month. It would bring down the cost certainly for the owner. This has a lot of moving parts but if the city worked with care givers this would be a lot more of an incentive to have maybe 3 children. Greece could offer something based on this concept so it would stop being the biggest expense item in a couples budget.

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    1. The "city" doesn't have a brain and doesn't make decisions, voters do. The voters won't make these obvious fixes because they're eaten up with the self-loathing mental illness and don't want humanity to survive.

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  10. Southern Alberta: Back 15 years ago there was a huge push to 'consolidate' schools, the district refused to release funds for maintenance. After 5 years all the local schools were in bad shape and the district decided to build a mega school in a field for 4 towns to share vs seperate schools. Kids all have to be bused and the routes meander around the countryside making transport costs way higher, plus its in a swampy area and floods every couple years.

    Additionally the county has discouraged new business in the rural communities, instead setting up 'innovation centers' aka a field beside the largest town were all new industrial businesses have to be located.

    Overall the towns have seen a drop because of this, ours had been stable for 50 years and then has seen a 10% drop since 2022.

    Exile1981

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  11. The town I live in was sitting at around 7,000 when I moved there in '76. Thanks to illegal immigration and the shuffling of welfare bums into the place, it's at 92,000 now. Thanks, Obama. Thanks, Newsom/Brown. Thanks, Joe...

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  12. The collapse of smaller rural towns has been going on for a long time. Back in the mid 80s when I lived in Abilene, Texas, we were out on a Sunday with some older friends from church. We came back through an abandoned town whose basketball team had been Texas state champions in the 1920s. The town had been a hub for the local farming community. The walls of the old gymnasium still stood and there were a few abandoned houses remaining. Improving transportation and consolidation of farms in this semi arid area were some of the factors that led to its abandonment.

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  13. Lose of school age children is happening in the older suburbs too. Even with the influx of the illegal's kids into the school district, there's not enough children to keep all the elementary and middle schools open.

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  14. Even India is shrinking outside of its heavily urbanized Ganges valley areas. It's growing well enough there that overall they're still growing, but only 5 of their 29 states have TFR of higher than 2.1 now.

    My source is this video, and the link is queued to the graphic showing this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-OI7HcCeU&t=117s

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  15. Simply look at https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/us-gdp-per-capita-by-state-vs-european-countries-and-japan-korea-mexico-and-china-and-some-lessons-for-the-donald/.

    You can see at once that the Western countries with low GDP are losing the demographic battle. The people in those countries feel too poor to reproduce and who is to say that they are wrong?
    Look at where Germany falls in the graph. It is literally overwhelmingly bad news.

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  16. "In a November work session, Lewisville ISD reported that its longtime demography research partner, Zonda Education, forecast a declining student population that experts say will settle at about 45,000 over the next decade. The district is already seeing the effects of the trend. Enrollment peaked in the 2015-16 school year with 53,396 students, according to the district’s recently published School Retirement & Boundary Proposal.

    “Right now, our school buildings have room for 62,508 students,” Superintendent Lori Rapp said in the proposal, “which means many of our classroom seats sit empty each day.”

    Rapp noted that the Plano, Richardson, Coppell and Irving school districts have announced closures as enrollments decline."


    https://dentonrc.com/education/in-a-meeting-with-pleas-and-tears-lewisville-isd-board-votes-to-close-five-schools/article_6ad3a8f4-b67c-11ef-8c55-5bba4e5f9064.html

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  17. Rural north Idaho here. It’s becoming a ghost town, also due to the economic factors Deninnger regularly discusses. Land value has tripled. The main economy has always been summer tourism. No houses left for the needed seasonal workers. In the less than ten years I’ve been here my own small neighborhood has had half the families replaced by vacationers’ second homes or vacation rentals. The amount of year round residents has plummeted.

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  18. McAllen Texas, about 65 miles from the mouth of the Rio Grande River (waaaay down there).

    Our population continues to boom, as are the nearby communities next door to it. Hidalgo County is one of those counties over 250,000 residents. About 140,000 in confines of McAllen.

    When I was a child, McAllen was about 30,000 people. The Rio Grande Valley was a winter garden spot, with vegetables, citrus cotton in the lower end, with cattle ranching a bit west and north of it. Two hard freezes in th e1980's essentially killed a lot of the citrus groves, and the owners sold to developers so we get 6 Wal-Marts, 4 Targets yada yada yada. I'd rather have the rurals back - so much more peaceful.

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  19. I visited the Northern Neck of Virginia during the summer to attempt to resolve an issue around a piece of property left over from my great grandmother's estate. I hadn't been there for about 40 years (since my grandmother's funeral). At breakfast one morning I got into a conversation with a couple of the locals. They told me that while the population of the area was stable, it was due to retirees settling there (relatively cheap waterfront property) and that the population of folks 18 - 50 was shrinking a bit more every year. It was sad to hear especially since 100 years ago it was the richest area of Virginia and one of the richest in the country.

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  20. Cyril Kornbluth addressed getting out-bred by the lower IQ types back in 1951 in the book "The Marching Morons"

    Anon

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    1. If this is the book I read years ago Thank You for posting the name. I went to Amazon and bought immediately. Watching the births decline along with the young people today reminded me so much of that book.

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  21. I work labor and delivery as a travel nurse and most places I've worked in the south and the northwest we are breaking delivery records for hospitals. I have yet to work somewhere with a declining birth rate in the last 5 years.

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  22. This is a simple matter that can easily be checked online at schooldigger dot com. Search by city, state, school district, or specific school name. Hit the 'students' tab and it will show you a bar graph of enrollment per year ( in some cases going back to 1989) and by race. We did this prior to moving because it's a clear sign of demographic change, if a town's elementary school shows an influx of subcon or Mestizo students (i.e. what sort of families with children are moving in).

    Our former Texas suburb's schools are now all less than 40% White (one of many reasons we sent our sons to Christian schools). The enrollment at the elementary school in our closest small town in our current location has dropped significantly from its high point, although the student body remains overwhelmingly White, heritage American.

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  23. This isn't current data, but I think it may have had a hand in what we are seeing now:
    In the 60's, in the outlying areas around Philly, when Dad and I went small game hunting, the majority of farms were essentially abandoned. Drive up to the home and find it empty, with no farming equipment around the yard, a few broken windows (major tell), but usually the cultivated areas would look normal. It appeared that the family farms were being bought up to consolidate them for better "efficiency". No big families needed anymore. IIRC, the only farms we found occupied were Amish or similar.
    We were stopping at the homes to ask permission to hunt, and get word on anything of concern to the farmer. I found it sad to see those homes like that.
    A side effect of the lack of local farmers seemed to be a change in the attitudes of some of the other hunters we encountered. A couple times I had hunters deliberately shoot at me from the other side of a field.

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  24. We moved back to Columbia SC in 2003. Each year after our school district built a new school. We have about 40+ middle school and younger attend out church service. Lots of babies here.

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  25. My town (pre-COVID population 60k) had massive growth with the pandemic. Low home prices and a beautiful area helped. But too many people now.

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  26. I was born in 1949. Some of my earliest childhood memories include several hundred row houses built near by. By the early 1960’s enough subdivision houses had been built in our school district ( which was on south shore Long Island N.Y.) that. We had 13 schools including two junior highs and a high school. By the time I graduated from college in 1971 half of the grade schools closed¡. Mom and dad still lived in their house, the kids moved on!,

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  27. Located in Southcentral Alaska, in the Mat-Su Valley. The core area is still growing, but the Anchorage area (fifty miles south of us) is losing population. Most of the population in the Mat-Su is concentrated in urban/suburban zones, but there's a lot of bush residents also, and your basic rural residents. Suburban area have the most rapid growth rate.

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  28. From my own experience, small towns in Kansas have been dying for decades because of farm debt plus death taxes. Only one child is able to stay, the rest become city folk like me.

    When Obama said we needed replacing, the world stats showed low birth rates are based on economics. Tunisia is now at 0.69%. When India joins the first world, they too will be sub-1%.

    We all know that SS is a Ponzi scheme and that automation is coming. Our low birth rates are in line with God/evolution's plan. These stats are great.

    If dumb people have dumb babies and smart people have smart babies, where'd the smart people come from?

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  29. I live in a "college town" outside of Philly (southeastern PA). There is plenty of industry, but seemingly, also plenty of vacant office buildings in business campus areas. Seems to be a lot of growth as you go further out. Lots of apartment complexes being built, which tends to change the historical political makeup. Once you get west if Harrisburg, or north of Quakertown, things seem to decline. There are Youtube channels of deserted, declining towns that are downright scary (not just in PA, either...nationwide). Some of these towns are destinations for "newcomers". My county used to be a destination for Mexicans, due to a big agricultural industry. Now, I see more and more of these folks starting businesses (landscaping, home improvement, restaurants, etc.) so that's good. I think, but don't know, that a major part of the decline of towns and small cities has been the decline or loss of major industries that often provided good jobs for the residents. Dollar Tree and fast food just does not do that at scale.

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  30. NE Rural Alabama, used Schooldigger.come to look at local schools. 77% hispanic. It is the white population in decline, not the population overall

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  31. Me and my wife went to college in the mid 70s. We saw the education system problems with our sons in the 90s and early 2000s. Our sons graduated HS different years after we tutored them to get them properly taught though school. Once we did we sent them to different Trade Schools, which cost us less then half a year of college. They make well over 6 figures, have houses, cars, and good bank accounts. My oldest son has a family.

    My youngest does not have a family. My youngest says he runs two types of women: 1) women that are either dumber with children or 2) corporate that make far less then him and look down on him because he did not go to college. He says he will not raise someone else's child. He said the corporate women also do not realize that just because he did not go to college he is much more intelligent and knows more than they do because he has kept learning different subjects.

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  32. Hard to believe that economics alone drives down the birthrate. Winder what other factors are playing a role?

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  33. FWIW Here in NE OH, you see a lot of white, young, heterosexual (dare I say), Conservative (kids well-behaved) families with 3 - 5 kids. Demography is destiny. Lefty women, when they aren't aborting, are refusing to mate and stay mated. Toss in the upcoming diaspora of illegals and this country is going to look like the 50s in about 20 years.

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  34. I only read about half the responses, so maybe someone else may have covered it.
    The US was changed, FUNDAMENTALLY, when the Commie Globalists and LBJ passe the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965... because Whites be BAAAD!

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  35. North/ Northeast Nevada is growing as much as it can within its limits - the lack of private land and the difficulty of building makes expansion difficult.

    The numbers don't sound high, but they're starting from very few.
    The good news is LOTS of well paying jobs, often $25+ with no experience if you can pass a drug test and be on time.
    Two new gold mines are opening in Eureka county with 800+ new jobs.
    There are lots of kids around here and good municipal facilities due to high local incomes from the mining taxes.
    Jonathan

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  36. Antigo Wisconsin. Population just under 8000. Population peaked in 2020 and has been in slow decline since than. We've lost close to 10% since 2020. I've only lived here for a short time. The people here seem to be doing OK overall. There are some light industrial manufacturing concerns here. A hospital and an munitions plant. Year round tourism is a big part of the economy. Big box stores including Fleetfarm, Menards, Walmart, Aldis and Pick & Save are present . What I've notice is that the elderly, including me, seem to be over represented. I see a preponderance of old people working their yards and shopping. It would be interest to see what this town will look like 20 years from now.

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