Friday, September 5, 2025

So much for customer service

 

Quoth The Raven laments its death, and sees an opportunity.


Everywhere you go, everything you do, every service you pay for—it feels like customer service simply no longer exists. And even worse, most places you go actually make you feel like an asshole for daring to be a customer in the first place. I catch myself constantly asking, “Why am I putting up with this shit?” right before looking down at the Cheez-Doodles or baseball cap I’ve somehow convinced myself I can’t live without.

Because here’s the ugly truth: service is dead. The only thing still alive is the endless, humiliating upsell and self-service. The drugstore, the bank, the dentist—it doesn’t matter. On a given day I interact with supposedly “best-in-class” businesses, and nearly every time I walk away feeling bent over a barrel. And this is when I’m choosing the premium option. The premium experience is still garbage.

Which is why, when I think about the future, I don’t see the next big opportunity as another buzzy app or sleek new product. It’s customer service. Full stop. Any company, in any industry, that actually treats its customers like human beings will have me throwing money at their doorstep.

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God forbid I need to call anyone about anything. Changing an airline ticket? Calling my credit card company? Forget it. Every road leads to an automated voice system with the warmth of a Soviet switchboard. Look, I get it. It’s 2025. Most stuff can be handled online, and that’s great—I don’t want to talk to anyone if I don’t have to. But when I do need a human being—because no, chatbot Karen, you cannot solve this problem with a “help article”—there should be a way to reach one without descending into phone tree purgatory.

Then there’s the pièce de résistance: self-checkout. Bill Burr has a bit about stealing from self-checkout as payback for being conscripted into a job you never applied for. And honestly, he’s right. You’re not a customer anymore—you’re an unpaid employee scanning your own groceries while the one overworked human employee hovers like a prison guard, ready to pounce if you don’t place the cantaloupe in the “bagging area” fast enough. You’re damn right I’m stealing a bag. And I dare your lazy ass to chase me down Market Street to stop me.

So yes, customer service isn’t dying—it’s dead. Buried. Cremated. Scattered to the wind. What’s left is a charade where companies pretend to offer “premium experiences” while nickel-and-diming you, automating you into oblivion, and treating your desire for basic service like an outrageous demand.

The opportunity is there for any business bold enough to zig while everyone else zags. Charge me more, fine. But make me feel like a customer, not a nuisance. Make me feel like I’m buying something, not auditioning for an FBI background check. Because until that happens? We’re all just paying top dollar to be reminded—daily—of how little most corporations actually think of their customers.


There's more at the link.

The corollary, of course, is that companies and businesses that emphasize customer service tend to do well at the best of times, and in more difficult economic conditions (like right now) still have enough customers to keep their heads above water.  A good example is the butchery my wife and I use.  The owner is friendly to everyone, goes out of his way to make sure we get the cuts and quality of meat we want, and will take time and trouble for special orders if we're willing to pay for them.  I just ordered about thirty pounds of assorted meats from him, in one-pound packages, including some that's not often ordered by his typical clientele and cut in a specific way.  He quoted me a price about a dollar or two per pound over supermarket prices, but the quality of his meat and the extra care he puts into satisfying our needs make that a bargain, as far as we're concerned.  Because he's willing to go the extra mile for us, we're willing to pay the extra dollar or two.  Everyone's happy.

The same applies to many of the businesses we patronize as a family.  We actively look for vendors who will listen to us and provide what we want.  If they do that, we give them our money and recommend them to our friends.  If they don't - if we're just another body or two off the street to them - then we have no reason in particular to shop there, and no reason in particular to go back.  I've taken to writing to businesses such as medical offices, etc. where I find myself treated like just another digit in the system.  I complain about it, give examples of how they treated me, and inform them that I'll be looking for more professional care somewhere else.  A few care enough to respond.  Most don't seem to care at all.  They're too busy being good little bureaucrats in the health care machine.

We surely can't be the only people operating that way.  How about you, readers?  Do you actively look for good customer service, let them know you appreciate it, and recommend them to others?  Or doesn't it matter that much any more?  I'd like to hear your perspective.

Peter


41 comments:

  1. "Vote with your money and your feet" is our family's motto and practice. One of my weekly breakfast crew used to complain every week about one of our local grocery chains. No carts, too few checkout lanes, dirty, crowded aisles. He has been getting an earful from two of us, "You deserve what they dish out if you keep shopping there." "Do you enjoy being treated like an abused wife?" At least he's stopped complaining to us, but they still shop there.

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  2. We do have "the power of the purse".
    Bud Lite and Cracker Barrel found that out.

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  3. Once upon a time, I had reason to look for certain not-superhero comic books. At one shop, the very closest (a mere hour's drive...) failed miserably. NO CUSTOMER service. More concern with the RPG gaming crowd, of which I am not. It took forever to find out they didn't even carry what interested me.

    Another place, two hours away, was a stark difference. Not only was I asked what I sought right off, when I explained my circumstances and the distance involved and that I would NOT be Right There... they offered a "subscription" set-aside service. I kept with them until the publication(s) ceased. Oh, and when I had reason to buy gaming/RPG related items as gifts, they got that business too!

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  4. My wife had a friend who was an Olympic shopper. The only thing that mattered was how cheap she got something. Strangely, she wouldn't think about the gas or wear and tear on the car, and she obviously didn't value customer service.

    The other side of the coin - there is no motivation by the employees in stores to treat you well. In some cases, when you stop and chat with a customer, you're seen as lazy. Today, employees must not only help customers, but also stock shelves and clean. Then there is the perennial problem of stray merchandise. You don't want to try to find something in plumbing; nothing is put back where it goes by customers, and I've helped the plumbing guys for hours and not scratched the surface of getting things where they go.

    For my own small business, I try to give superior customer service, and I sell my meat below the big box grocery stores. When you go farm to table you cut out a lot of the middle men. I'm semi-retired and have a pension. My goal is not to make a living, but to help people get good quality food. I have an MBA, I understand the profit motive, but I have also come to understand it is destructive.

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    1. O, if only the employees were possessed of the IQ and motivation to be capable of stocking the shelves.
      I put in my time in retail, so I know how lazy customers "helpfully" restock tons of things where they don't go, because lazy as sin.
      But when i find whole categories of items mis-stocked, it's because the midwit millenials hired to stock the shelves think putting something in the same time zone is "close enough".
      Don't know the difference between a plug and an outlet at Homeless Depot or Low IQ? Let the customer go fish for it. Times a million, at every big box anything store. Hardware, department stores, bookstores, you name it. It's lazy SOBs who couldn't be bothered to put things on the shelves correctly, like they were hired to do, and worthless managers without the wits God gave a mule to supervise them and nip that crap in the bud. In short, idiots managing idiots.

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    2. Don't even get me started on the shelving problems at a lot of used bookstores. Books out of order, alternate history books in the history section...it's a mess.

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  5. My wife and I have nearly quit eating in restaurants due to the quality of service. Having a hostile wait staff that insists on insulting you while taking the order (refusing to speak to a male, asking the female if it will be separate tickets etc. etc.) takes the pleasure out of a good meal.

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  6. That was the Shoney's waitress's behavior.
    "Hi, I'm the waitress you won't see again until it comes time to bring the bill", but I'll be real pissed off for not getting a huge tip for the service I didn't give you.

    Eventually they went out of business in our area.

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  7. We used to frequent a small corner hardware store down the road over ordering online or going to the big box store even though their prices were higher, because they always had great customer service. A couple of years ago, the capable old men they employed started retiring and they started hiring teenagers and early '20's kids. Presumably because they wanted less money.

    Now, not only do the kids who work there not give a crap about customers or customer service, they don't know anything anyway. Have a question about a tool or product they sell? Good luck with that.

    Don't go there any more. There's actually a "Taylor's do it center" much farther away, but still a reasonable distance with employees who still care about and show some pride in their job. We've started just going there. Don't know if it's a corporate environment thing or just this one store, but that's been our experience.

    Also, we haven't eaten at a restaurant for over a year. Just not worth it. Not only cost, but even expensive places the quality of the food has gone down and the customer service is terrible. Wait forever, lousy food and be treated like they're doing you a favor by serving you. I have a wife, I can get that at home. (just kidding honey...you're a great cook and you treat me great)

    Self-checkout: I've heard that some Walmarts have started getting rid of them because of the high "shrinkage" rate. I was in a local Walmart a year ago or so (Walmart is a desperation move for me, not a regular shopping experience) where I witnessed a person push a cart full of goods up to the self-checkout, plain as day bag everything up without scanning a single thing, and just walk out of the store. The single employee monitoring the self-checkout lanes was standing right there, either completely oblivious, completely uncaring, or completely powerless. Either way, dude walked out with a cart full of goods and didn't pay a penny.

    Automated answering systems: I am well aware that the common, easy things can be taken care of online...do you really think I'm sitting here listening to your machine voice prattle on because I enjoy it?

    Even worse is when you actually do get connected to a human, but they're in freaking Pakistan or India, you can hardly understand them and they're working from a script that is no more helpful than the freaking machine was. "Hello, my name is being Bob...how for can I help you today?...have you tried turning it off and back on again?"

    The medical ones are especially egregious. Any time you call any type of medical practice, hospital or facility (the VA is the WORST), you spend the first 15 minutes of the call listening to a machine tell you that if it's an emergency call 911, if you're having suicidal thoughts, call the suicide prevention line, Did you know that you can get your free wuhan flu vaccine today? If you're feeling a burning sensation behind your eyeballs or experiencing severe migraines, you may be spending too much time listening to automated messages on phone lines...please contact your primary care provider for an appointment. Did you know that instead of listening to my insipid prattling, you can send a text message to your provider through our online portal? Etc etc etc ad nauseum.

    Yes, I tried sending a message to my provider through your online portal, that's why I'm wasting time calling, because it's been three days and I haven't gotten a response yet and I'd really like to get an appointment for this condition sometime before I die of old age.

    Of course, they'd probably prefer it if you just died...one less patient calling and bugging them.

    But I'm not bitter or anything.

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    1. Be gentle with the VA providers. This one currently has $400,000.00 in unpaid invoicing dating back over years. We currently have 5 people wanting high ticket items that are being held until the VA pays their over due invoicing.

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    2. Re: customers walking off without paying. Several years ago we were at WM, and the automotive clerk told us, the store policy is not to stop shoplifters. If a security person or two is nearby, they will handle it. But clerks are told not to confront the thieves. Just let’em go. And this was a small to midsize town, in Massachusetts, not someplace in California or Chicago.
      SNH

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  8. Customer service was outsourced to India , then when they found Filipinos were even cheaper they moved the call centers there.

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  9. We agree. When I was younger, a trip to a local hardware store was being asked 'How Can I Help You Today' at least three times before finding the aisle where the item was. The same hardware store frown on allowing customers going through their aisles to find it on their own (maybe small items were being shoplifted ?) In any case, tell us what you need and we will bring it to the cash register (THE cash register - only one in entire store). Part of the fun was finding stuff you weren't shopping for but now desperately need two or more of.

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  10. Oh, the military medical system phone/message tree is absolutely the worst. I've been trying to set up my account with their system, and been defeated - and I'm fairly conversant with computers and on-line things. Veterans ten years and more older than I am must be having an awful time. I can only think that the veteran care system must be waiting for the really elderly to die off.
    OTO - the customer service at Frost Bank (the Texas bank of choice for us) is suburb. Even on weekends and holidays, customers can get a live person on the line almost instantly.
    HEB - the local grocery chain is also customer-friendly. A couple of years ago, we were in our local, and for some weird electrical glitch -- all the power to the registers went out, and no one knew how long it would take to restore it. The staff went to all the customers with carts filled - and said they would mark our name and phone number on it, and put them all aside - and call us when power was restored so we could finish grocery shopping.
    About the only restaurant we've been going to lately is the Antler Cafe in Spring Branch: old-fashioned country food, and very, very good. The waitresses are attentive and professional. A great place to go. But generally agree - customer service with larger corporations is as dead as Generalissimo Franco.

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    1. My problem with HEB is the rough way they handle the produce. Slamming tomatoes and avocados into the bag makes them useless for anything except baby food. ALDI is even worse. They will drop a can or two of soup on the tomatoes, just for good measure. I started going to the self checkout at Walmart so I can bag everything myself.

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  11. Ordering strange cuts of meat? Sounds like you're making Biltong!

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  12. I recently ordered something from a very well known retailer. The delivery was scheduled via FedEx and the timing was announced as between 1-3 PM. The package was left by my gate, on a rural road, at 9PM. So, I'm gathering a 70# package inthe pitch dark by truck headlights. I called the company to note my displeasure over the handling of a rather expensive item and was told, they were closed and to call back during normal hours - no irony in India call centers But I did get a survey in the email the next morning g as,ing me to rate how they handled my issue. Marvelous.

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  13. Sometimes problems arise at retirement. Our excellent baker retired and neither his daughters nor their husbands wanted to continue the business because of its "unsocial hours."

    Eventually the building was demolished, ovens and all.

    We still have a good butcher though; during the Great Covid Hysteria he started making home deliveries too. So he'll get our custom for ever and a day.

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  14. There is a reason that Discover specifically advertises that you talk to a person when you call.
    Yes, customer service getting worse and those who emphasize it are getting noticed.
    My local Kroger has self checkouts - their system is so worried about theft that it constantly flags my scanning. Last time I used it, the worker had to come over 9 times to unlock it.
    I don't use their self checkout anymore.
    I'd rather not shop there, but they're the best of the limited options out here.
    Jonathan

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  15. As always - the people make the place - and the service. We've lived all over the world, in cities and suburbs, and then CHOSE to sell it all and move outside a tiny town in the Ozarks. With one exception, we've dealt with nothing but friendly, courteous, capable, helpful heritage White Americans. Always glad to answer a question or do their jobs. Bank, butcher, hardware store, tax office, etc. - it's always a pleasure to deal with people. I now smile when out and about, and have vastly more patience for normal delays. As always, 'diversity' + proximity = degradation of life, conflict, and ultimately war.

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    1. I think I know why *you* got lousy service in racially diverse areas. Me, I don't have those problems.

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  16. Here is a somewhat askew look at the topic-
    Thieves. Thieves ruin customer service. The kind of customer service where you can walk into the hardware store, examine the items you are looking for, read the label, "oop's, wrong one", put it back, and pick up the correct one, walk to the cashier and pay. Now it is peer through a cage, see something that might work, call for someone to help out AKA unlock the cage, look at the item, nope, wrong one, and go through the whole ordeal again.
    And it is getting worse. Western Washington, smaller town, box hardware store. They have gone from no cages, to a cable through the copper wire rolls, to tags and cables on all the portable tools, to plexi doors in front of the hand tools, to lockout clips on all the hanging items, to steel cages in front of all the plumbing and electrical parts, and the new thing yesterday- I am not making this up.
    On the steel cage doors- not one lock, not two locks,
    EVERY DOOR HAD TWO LOCKS PLUS A CABLE ALARM. Like those NYC apartments in 1972.
    A guy next to me was peering at some breakers and I remarked to him,"you know what these cages are? They are proof our @#$% society is doomed." He just nodded.




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  17. A lot of places, when you finally get through to a human being, connect you to someone whose grasp of standard spoken English is iffy at best. I can handle it, but if I were hearing-impaired, having to decipher a thick ghetto accent or a foreign accent would be problematic at best. No doubt this is due to the companies' abject terror of the discrimination laws.

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    1. Less that and more "who can we hire for the wages we want to pay?"

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  18. We have a couple of exceptions locally. The stand-out is a supermarket chain, family owned for about 50 years. They do not have self checkout. They have an army of stocking clerks, in the aisles, every time we there go. They still have a customer service desk that always has someone to help you. Stock clerks will help you. Usually a manager or supervisor is on the floor if you need that help. No mobile pickup either.
    Also a hardware store a few miles away, that usually has a half dozen men on the floor to help customers. Small, but has lots of stuff.
    Southern NH

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  19. Yes, and thankfully we 'share' those good places among our group. I still remember our local small grocery store turning away people from the big town, saving what they had for us locals... LOL On the Karen's response to that...LOL

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  20. The diminishing quality of service is a symptom of the bigger problem. The general coarsening of society. The decrease in fundamental politeness. The willingness to insult people. The lack of empathy. The causes are myriad, the cure uncertain. But the change in our society has been concommitant with the "diversification" of America.

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  21. I don't know. If good customer service paid off, I think more businesses would do it. I've seen a lot of people go to big box stores and such chasing the cheapest price and leaving the mom and pops behind. I've also dealt with difficult and needy customers before. You sink your entire day into a rude or, franky, stupid, customers with little gratitude or money to show for it. You can please someone 9 times out of 10, but that tenth time, they're gone forever.

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  22. So about the Veterans administration health care not paying their bills. I have a community care chiropractor that I really like. In Talking to him I found out that the billing to the VA was 9 months overdue. I had a bit of a fuss with him because I felt really really bad he insisted that I could continue to come and the VA pay and that you know he'd work it out I had a bit of a fuss with him because I felt really really bad he insisted that I could continue to come and the VA pay and that you know he'd work it out, However I just couldn't do it I ended up paying him for each visit thereafter. Sadly it did mean that I could only go about maybe 1/10 of the amount of Visits. At $38 a visit it's not even a bad rate but We just don't have the money to pay For that many visits.

    Also I find myself feeling hostwhen I have to do self check out. like others have said I'm not trying to do that shit. Though I have to say at least my vegetables don't get bruised when I put them in the bags when I do it myself but A dozen times for check out I have to deal with some error that you have to have An employee fix. Then at least once per check out it thinks I'm stealing shit and calls an employee over to check that I beg the right thing and actually scanned it. Which I did but you know the computers in the AI don't think I did. Again I'm not an employee and they certainly didn't train me so what the hell.

    Next customer service and restaurants. Oh my god. A bad day of cooking at home is usually better than a restaurant nowadays especially when you consider how much they charge you. Once in a while I still find somebody with good customer service and so that's nice but other than once or twice in the last year I've pretty much regretted every time I've eaten out. I also Don't eat out as a family anymore it's just too expensive pretty much the only time we eat out is I take my wife out on a date or it's a social sit down with a friend or a business relation where it's a me buying them general then buy me dinner. Not because I guess technically we're gonna really like the food but But we just want to catch up with them in a social situation Or feel like making a nice gesture in treating them.

    We have a standard response to sarcastic solemn service if it's something we can't get around talk to Management. Most of the time though it's just walk out just don't have the time or the energy to deal with it. Neither my wife nor I are abusive retreat people badly Ever E!specially people that are serving us. My mother was a waitress for most of my childhood I get it I understand how hard of a work that is. Regardless if you're gonna give me attitude if you're gonna treat me differently because the color of my Skin if you're going to treat me Differently because of my Sex, Then I'm gonna go somewhere else, Right then.

    I've spent most of my adult life providing customer service. When I was happy, When I was sad, When I was in pain, And it's not the customer's problem if I'm all those things. I sucked it up and was pleasant if it was so bad that I couldn't even smile at least I'd kept it very professional and thank them for coming and after helping them asked them to come back. It's the bare minimum you Need to do

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  23. Our local businesses in Copper Basin Alaska mostly avoid the self check out, The IGA store has self check out stations but does have a cashier with time if you want. Their self chechout mostly originated when the army busses started using it as a pit stop and four self check out stations moves them thru faster than one or two checkers rhat more than handle local traffic.

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  24. I have a list of my local businesses where I have been treated poorly and its growing. I keep it posted on my refrigerator for myself and the wife reminding us where not to patronize anymore. I was a manager for a major grocery chain and am very experienced with apologizing to customers for poor customer service by the employees.

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  25. After I retired, I worked a number of small jobs. Training is expensive, it takes time, and resources. Young kids aren't being taught the way we were. I was helping to change the oil in the car at 6 and doing by myself at 12. My daughter told me a story of some engineering students in college struggling to change a car battery.

    Then there is the fear factor. Some people in the big box store didn't want to tell someone how to do something because they were afraid of getting sued if it was done wrong or directions were misunderstood.

    Many of the difficult customers were those who had a fridge fail at 8pm and the store closed at 9pm. They needed help and compassion. Especially when the store is quite carrying inventory and shifted to deliveries from a local warehouse.

    The store outsourced deliveries. Customers would call, and we could no longer do anything about it. I always got a manager on the phone, explaining that bit of stupidity was above my pay grade.

    Overall, too many bosses and managers are on an ego trip. My boss, you serf. Fortunately, I didn't need any of these jobs; I had walking-away money when I got fed up. At 60+, I would do carts in the heat where the young kids wouldn't, I'd also stay off my phone and help other departments if my area was slow and cleaned up. I got compliments and thanks all the time. I got fired for pointing out that a manager was being stupid. (I emailed my manager that the phones weren't working. I received an email response that if I need to call out, the procedure required that I make a phone call to a manager. I'd wasted over an hour of my unpaid time. My response was testy, but not spicy.)

    Notice the trend - it's cutting costs. Getting someone to work cheaply was way more important than getting someone capable of doing the job. This is corporate-driven to drive up margin. The majority of people are bargain shoppers putting additional pressure on management to cut costs. People on the floor aren't trained, management aren't trained and they aren't leaders. Pay bananas and you can only hire monkeys.

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  26. "I was helping to change the oil in the car at 6 and doing by myself at 12. My daughter told me a story of some engineering students in college struggling to change a car battery."

    Part of the issue here is how cars are designed now vs. how they were back then. These days it almost seems like they're deliberately built to make doing anything yourself as difficult as possible.

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    1. I tried to help a lady jump her car. Couldn't find the battery. Couldn't find labeled posts under the hood.
      Googled it later. The battery was under the back seat.

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  27. first sorry for how bad my first post was written. I did it on my cell phone and obviously am incompetent writing on a cell phone screen with a screen keyboard. I had trouble telling what I was saying after reading it on my computer and I'm the one that wrote it :)

    next is reply to Dale....
    The only people I have ever fired were for customer service issues. Not that I had a huge number of employees. Never had a problem getting technically competent or at least technically trainable people in my limited market (computer tech jobs). We sponsored a linux computer club and after watching someone for 6 months or so had a very good idea what we were hiring.

    But dear god that still didn't tell us what that person would do when out of our sight on a job call. After the third or fourth counseling if they didn't learn to not say the first thing in their little brains to a customer and stop and think if it was appropriate we would let them go. Honestly though, only had to do it a few times. most of them were young and relatively trainable.

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  28. Yeah, customer service. What a hoot.

    I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this scrapyard. Most places try their level best to make me feel like an unwelcome interruption to an otherwise perfect day. There are, however, exceptions.

    I enjoy fine dining, and have several restaurants I patronize in Columbus, Ohio. Sometimes the wait staff remembers me, other times not, but every single time I've eaten at these establishments all employees have made a concerted effort to make sure I enjoyed myself. Whenever something went wrong, they fixed it - and that's increasingly rare.

    Of course, there is the other side of the quarter. Taking my seat at a local live music venue, I couldn't get waited on. One server would make eye contact with me, then look away and go hide at the wait station by the bar. After twenty minutes, I'd had enough and confronted him.

    "What am I, invisible?" I asked in my best lecture hall voice. He stared at me like a dog watching a ceiling fan.
    "Uh, no."
    "Then tell me just what it takes to get waited on. You've passed me a half-dozen times and never offered to take my order."
    ...
    Probably because I'm an old, white male who hates faggots.

    Anyway, I did get a waitress who tried to lecture me and failed miserably, then another waitress with tattoos all over her arms came around, smiled, and delivered my order - then asked my companions what they'd like. She waited on us all night and was thanked for her service, and given a nice tip in cash.

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  29. I wonder if they ever self reflect and come to the realization that ignoring a customer like that deliberately because of what they look like is a massively asshole sort of thing to do and very much racist/prejudiced/bigoted. When all you wanted as someone to walk up with a smile and say "what can I get you?" shit, no smile and a what can I get you probably would have been fine :)

    I walked into wendy's a few years ago during obama's term... a young black woman was at the register and I was like 2nd in line. She got finished with the customer in front of me then called the black guy behind me up to serve him after giving me a look! Then she spent about 4x the time needed to serve him chatting with him. I moved over to another register and got served. Though of saying something but it just wasn't worth it. I've spent my life living in the deep south and had seen pretty much all explicit racism go away at that point. However under obama's presidency I saw so much hate and fear role back in on both sides that it just about made me cry at the progress lost.

    When I would run into it.. still not often but more than I had seen in 50 years I would push back. I remember telling a couple of old farmers who were bashing Obama because he was black "that's not cool. we are better than that now. I despise obama, not because he is black but because his policies and beliefs are horrible. The color of his skin has nothing to do with his beliefs that he acts on. Be mad at that his actions, but don't sink to racism."

    It's still not horrible around here but there is a distance on average with the younger generations. I can still walk up on someone my age that is black and just have a fun conversation and just be people but I walk on eggshells with a lot of the younger generation with the chip they carry on their shoulders.

    All of us are very much the same and so many are blind to it. Heard a talk on a panel about racism against the black community. To be fair it was a west coast community it happened in. One of the black members said to the white guest speaker "As a white person you can't understand what it is like to be black. When I was young my mom sat me down and had the talk with me. I had to learn that if a cop pulled me over I had to fear for my life. I had to put my hands on the steering wheel and say yes sir and no sir and not argue with him or he might kill me."

    As I sat their listening to that statement from the black lady on the panel it felt very surreal to me. I was like "Yeah my mom had that exact same conversation with me when I started driving" It has nothing to do with color of skin it has to do with power and abuse of power and not ending up on the wrong side of it. Also just some very basic common sense in being polite to the nice officer with the gun on his hip. Most of the time he will be polite right back. maybe 20% of the time he is an asshole regardless. Also maybe he is as scared to walk up on a car he has pulled over as you are to be pulled over. So put your hand on the steering wheel and smile at him and say "what can I do for you officer" so he knows your not going to go crazy on him and try to keep him from going home at the end of the night.

    grrrrr....rrrrr....rrrrr... soapbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. No joke. I never had a "here is how to talk to the police" talk, but I never had to, because my parents raised me with "yes sir, no sir" and to be polite and respectful and not cop an attitude with people until they give you a good reason to do otherwise. Seriously, surviving an encounter with the police is as easy as falling off a log 99% of the time unless you're a belligerent moron.

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  30. I observe, purely for informational purposes, that you can buy glass etching solutions at Hobby Lobby, Michael's, etc, which are meant to let you monogram initials on your glassware, but which makes self service laser scanners inoperable forever if applied to the glass scanning aperture.
    What a country!

    Also, refrigerated to near-frozen wedges of limburger cheese can be cut to credit card dimensions with a sharp knife and a handy ruler, and inserted thereby, rendering any machine meant to take a credit or ATM card unusable until serious maintenance occurs.

    I imagine that would be quite a problem for that bank you don't bank at anymore, because their customer service drove you to a competitor.

    Just saying.

    If you want to go to the trouble of staging a little "death of a customer" radio theater for medical voicemails, complete with gunshots, screams, etc., you could move to modern-day legend status.

    FWIW, I praise and tip customer service when I receive it, and it pays off. Bad service is when I play a little game called "how many RFID shoplifter tags can I affix to the lower frames of how many shopping carts", to make sure that every customer sets off the theft alarms, and either engenders alarm fatigue for the store staff, or creates mall cop swatting incidents, thus pissing off more customers who get strip-searched after paying for everything and still setting off the alarms.

    I may or may not have surreptitiously slipped a few RFID tags inside employee's vest pockets from time to time, just to share the fun.

    If you're going to put me on the payroll without paying me, don't piss and moan when I decide to put the "guerrilla" back into guerrilla capitalism.

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  31. "Be gentle with the VA providers."

    What's interesting (or at least I think so), is that I'm not just a veteran, I'm retired, so I'm eligible for Tricare. Plus I'm employed at a company with very good benefits and I have civilian health insurance through them.

    I go to the VA not because I have to, but because I very much have been happy and satisfied with the quality of care I've gotten and the respect I've been shown by the providers and staff.

    VA likes treating me because it keeps their patient numbers up (for federal reporting) but they can also file claims with Tricare and my civilian insurance to be compensated for any non-service connected care.

    Anyway, my point is the only thing I don't like about the VA is the bureaucracy. It takes forever to get an appointment and, as previously mentioned, their automated answering system is flatly ridiculous. I imagine most people give up after about 5 minutes or so of the introductory BS and don't wait the full 15 minutes to actually get to the "press 1 if you are a provider, press 2 if you need an appointment..." menu. Oh, and then a significant number of times, after making your selection, you'll get disconnected and have to start the process all over again.

    The online messaging thing on the web site is actually great most of the time because you can avoid the pain of calling, but every once in a while a message slips through the cracks somehow and you never get a response.

    Anyway, my point is that I appreciate the VA and have always been happy with the care provided, I just wish they'd fire about half the administrators who's entire purpose in life is to justify their existence by making things as difficult as possible, and replace them with actual care providers who seem to be in very short supply.

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