Tuesday, November 11, 2025

Extremism redux: what's happening in Washington D.C.

 

About ten days ago I published an article titled "The tragic poison of extremism".  I quoted Rod Dreher at length, and his warnings about how anti-semitic and far-right-wing thinking were becoming real dangers on the right wing of American politics.  A lively discussion ensued in Comments, with some for and some against those views.

Yesterday Mr. Dreher published a follow-up article titled "What I Saw And Heard In Washington".  Here are a few excerpts.


It was an intense and busy long weekend for me in the capital city. I learned a hell of a lot about the new radicalism racing through the young Right there. What I’m going to say about it is to inform you. Nobody talked to me on the record. What I say is my impression of a number of conversations I had with people (conservatives) who are directly involved in this world. Every one of them is appalled by what’s happening (well, maybe not one of the guys, but he always plays his cards close to his vest), and all have serious doubts about the ability of the institutional Right to deal with it. It’s easier for me simply to do a mash-up of all the things I heard, rather than try to attribute them to people I can’t quote by name anyway. Remember, this is a diary, not a newspaper.

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I asked one astute Zoomer what the Groypers actually wanted (meaning, what were their demands). He said, “They don’t have any. They just want to tear everything down.”

Then he went on to explain in calm, rational detail why his generation is so utterly screwed. The problems are mostly economic and material, in his view (and this is something echoed by other conversations). They don’t have good career prospects, they’ll probably never be able to buy a home, many are heavily indebted with student loans that they were advised by authorities to take out, and the idea that they are likely to marry and start families seems increasingly remote.

Moreover, they grew up in a country that had lost its common culture. Many of these young men are fatherless. Most of them spent their youths being told that as whites, and especially as white males, they are what’s wrong with the world. Their own speech was policed with Stasi-like ruthlessness for racism and bigotry, while people on the Left routinely slandered whites, males, Christians, and heterosexuals — and were even rewarded for it.

F—k that, seems to be the reaction now.

. . .

The inability of us older people — Boomers, Xers, and older Millennials — to comprehend the world through the eyes of Zoomers is a big, big problem. Another strong theme: while it’s important to take a clear stand against anti-Semitism in the ranks, there is no way to gatekeep our way out of this. You cannot simply point at the Zoomers and say, “Thou shalt not,” and expect it to work. The problems are too deep and complex, and anyway, they have learned to have no respect for authority.

Why should they? The institutions of our society, as they see it, have lied and lied and lied, and still lie. They still lie in many ways about race (e.g., refusing to be honest about black crime), they lied about Covid, they lied about males and females, and they forced the insanity of gender ideology on us all. The military lied about Iraq. The universities embraced and enforced ideologies of lies. The Catholic Church lied about sexual abuse, and the connection to the prevalence of sexually active gay priests honeycombing the institution. They lied about the benefits of mass migration and diversity. They lied about Trump and Russia. The political parties and their corporate allies lied about what globalism would mean for ordinary people. The media have lied and do lie about most things.

. . .

I could go on — boy, could I — but you get the idea. Trust in the system is gone. Hell, I share most of these conclusions myself! The difference is that I am not a nihilist; I don’t want to tear it all down, but rather reform it. There are no historical examples in which “tearing it all down” produced a better, more just, more functional order. The Zoomers don’t seem to have any knowledge of history, nor do they care about it.

They don’t even take Trump all that seriously, it appears. They see him as an out-of-touch Boomer whose value lies in how he can be used to achieve the system’s destruction. It has not escaped their notice that the ten months into Trump’s second term, the economy is still crap. As an American living abroad in a more affordable country, going to coffee shops, bars and restaurants, I was stunned by how expensive everyday life is in the US. The recent opinion polls showing that by a large margin, most Americans (not only Zoomers) are down on the Trump administration’s handling of the economy — that reflects the good judgment of the American people, I’m sorry to say. If the Republicans don’t get their act together, and fast, they’re going to be shellacked in the 2026 midterms.


There's more at the link.

As I said in my earlier article, I highly recommend that you click over to Mr. Dreher's latest essay and read it in full for yourself.  You may not agree with all that he says, but he'll certainly give you plentiful food for thought.

Peter


9 comments:

  1. Eeeeyep.
    If you want people to uphold the system, you have to get them to believe that they benefit from it. And a lot of young people, left and right, think they don't benefit from the system--why do you think Mamdani won among Zoomers and younger Millennials?

    That having been said, my sympathy is a little limited on some of these fronts. I suspect that, for example, part of the reason many of these young men can't get a date has to do with their personalities, personal character, and life choices rather than systemic issues.

    (Note: I have a good job and a house and have been unwantedly single. Don't yell to me about bootstrapping and don't claim that I don't know how bad the dating field is.)

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    1. As a very old Xer, I get the dating issues. Young men have access to too much red pill content (work on yourself/most women aren't worth the squeeze, divorce horror stories, etc.), while social media has turned young women into retards who all insist that the 6' 5" handsome tech billionaire and Kardashian lifestyle is just around the corner . Then they hit 35 and realize that no guy wants them.
      Canuck

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  2. As a Boomer, I can understand the sentiment of "F--k that." I don't see that "The System" has been self-correcting, or even capable of recognizing the problems that need correcting.

    Instead, it appears to be nothing but a free-for-all by the sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, and rent-seeking, all playing a political version of Calvin-ball. As soon as the rules appear to generate some justice, they get changed or ignored.

    Nobody is coming to save us. Your family is counting on you. Quitting isn't an option.

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  3. Born in 1959, I am technically a boomer. My life has been much more in line with gen x in most ways.

    Lawrence Welk and the Watergate hearings and Gunsmoke is what I remember of youthful tv watching. Lousy music, government lies and shoot straight when needed is what I learned from that.

    I have been lied to by govt, schools, banks and authorities my entire life. I have no respect for authority until it is earned.

    I am in the 'burn it all down' camp.

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  4. **I asked one astute Zoomer what the Groypers actually wanted (meaning, what were their demands). He said, “They don’t have any. They just want to tear everything down.”**
    I had to look up what a "Groyper" was...

    The value to tearing it all down is there are those who figure they have a chance of getting a better deal in the chaos & it's aftermath than they have now.
    Looking at the "Why should they?" paragraph, I'm seeing something I'd never noticed before... that whole paragraph is true!
    All true... we are either going to get lucky and something (technology?) is going to save us or it's going to get really ugly.

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  5. I agree that there are lots of problems in this country.
    But we also have lots of opportunity that many people don't see because of where they are and the constant drumbeat of negativity in the news and in big cities.

    When I see stuff like this, I tell people to get out of the cities and out of the hive mind there. Most of those I've talked to feel they have no option, that they have to stay where they are despite problems with jobs and housing.

    I tell people that if you want to do better than most people, you have to do what they either can't or won't do. You either need to move up where you are through work (education, long hours, or be inventive), or move somewhere you are more valued for what you can already do.

    For example: I live in a small town over 200 miles from the nearest "real city". But in this town, average incomes are at $100k and average house prices under $300k: compared to that city, incomes average $30k a year higher and houses average $250k less.
    I routinely see ads for entry level positions at $25/hour needing only a driver's license or high school diploma, with plenty of overtime available.
    Yes, we don't have lots of restaurants and shops, but we have lots of good hard working people and a close knit community.
    There are lots of places like this in the US, but you won't hear about them from snooty national media based in LA or NYC - if you look around, you'll find more and better options than you thought existed.
    Jonathan

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  6. I think there is a misreading of history, Dreher writes, There are no historical examples in which “tearing it all down” produced a better, more just, more functional order. The Zoomers don’t seem to have any knowledge of history, nor do they care about it."
    He's quite wrong because he thinks it happens in real time but there is no doubt at all that by the end of the Western Roman Empire it was a monolithic evil that had to be ended because it was unendurable and the YOUNG MEN were not interested in fighting for it. It is what happens when the stable stasis of a failed empire no longer has anybody willing to fight for it. Ruralcounsel nails it. The systems in the Western world are quite broken and nobody can fix them without burning them to the ground first. Devaluing the currency is the last step before collapse. We are already about as far down that path as it is possible to go. That's why everything 'looks' so expensive.

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  7. I can't take anyone seriously when one week it's the evils of neo-nazis infesting the right and the next week it's "tearing it all down has never produced a better, more just, more functional order". I feel quite confident in stating it did quite a good job of that in Italy, Germany, and Japan in the 40's.

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  8. Oh boo hoo. Waaaa
    Every generation has been lied to. I'll be here all day if I recount the many ways I personally was lied to by teachers, professors, bosses and the like.

    Coddling the nihilists is exactly the wrong thing to do. Because they are nihilists.
    The difference between this gen and past gens is this gen are professional victims. Everything is not their fault.

    But those few of this current gen who do suck it up, who do seek to move forward, will prosper. And they are not the statiscally insignificant. That there are a significant number of this same gen who do rise, instead of wallowing in selfishness, bespeaks of the problem being one of attitude.

    The whiners of today have the loudest voice of any. Unhappily, they use it to attract coconspirators of misery as together they lash out at everything and everyone but themselves.

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