In a recent column, Janet Daley tried to put the great clash of modern politics into perspective. She addresses it in the context of American versus European politics, but points out - correctly - that the socialized European model is preached in America too by the Democratic Party, particularly its left-wing progressive movement. This "muddies the waters".
American voters ... are unabashed in their belief that the American way of life is based on an abiding principle: that individuals have an inalienable right to improve their circumstances in life by their own efforts. If they find that their aspiration and determination are frustrated by things that are beyond their control like inflation or competition for jobs from illegal migrants, they expect the government to act effectively on those problems. Traditionally in the United States, it has been believed that this was what government was for: to remove obstacles to individual achievement and progress.
Much more recently the European model of state intervention and the creation of a welfare state which is designed to protect the disadvantaged and to care for those who, it is believed, cannot succeed on their own, has been brought into the US electoral arena. It is espoused by Left liberals like Bernie Sanders and the new mayor of New York, Zohran Mamdani, who have gained a hearing but whose ideas are still considered exotic and profoundly at odds with mainstream discourse. It is important to appreciate this because, paradoxically, it could help to illuminate the identity crisis that European democracies are undergoing.
Americans who demand that the obstacles to individual success and personal advancement be removed – that it is, in fact, the most important function of government to remove them – do not see themselves as selfish or callous. On the contrary, they believe quite sincerely that they are upholding an important moral standard: individuals must fulfil their potential and make the effort to succeed as best they can in order to take responsibility for their own lives. Most importantly, to as great an extent as possible, they must see to it that their children will have greater opportunities for self-advancement than they did. That was, and still is, the great American promise.
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This perfectly plausible moral view has been almost drowned out in European politics by generations of class-based ideology. The very idea of a public morality based on individualism – generally termed “selfish individualism” – was attacked. Then there was the inviolable credo that those who appeared to fail, even if they refused to try, were not to blame. Their bad choices were determined by the misfortune of their circumstances which were out of their control.
In some cases, of course, this would be true – but as a general principle applied to the whole of a population it became an insidious vindictive force: all those who succeeded were guilty of stealing wealth and advantage from all those who failed. Allowing people to prosper and achieve the rewards of their own ingenuity or hard work could not be acceptable because their success created inequality and was, in effect, a form of theft from those who lacked those fortunate traits. The only decent political solution was to take some of that advantage away and hand it out to those who, through no fault of their own, had achieved less. Wealth redistribution or, as it came to be known, “social fairness”, relied on the idea that even your apparent virtues – self-reliance, responsible behaviour, determination – were actually unfair privileges.
If your actions are constructive and conducive to success, that is just the good luck with which you happened to be gifted at birth. The problem for contemporary democracy is that a great many people believe this too. In fact, it is probably the case that a majority of the populations of Western countries believe both of these arguments – that people should be rewarded for succeeding by their own efforts, and that they should be penalised by having to support those who have not made an effort. It has simply become impossible for societies to sustain this contradiction any longer.
There's more at the link. I highly recommend following the link at the end of the excerpt to read more about how socialized policies are "destroying" the self-sufficient.
We're seeing this conflict of perspectives in America right now between "purists" who want to demolish the "nanny state", dismantle the "deep state", and restore the rights and freedoms of the individual over those of state overreach. On the other hand, there are those who complain that they're economically less well off than they were, and want the government - any government - to "make them whole", support them financially and in other ways so that they're not as exposed to the vicissitudes of the free market. I suspect that's at the root of why President Trump's popularity has decreased in recent months. He's doing a pretty good job of tearing down State overreach, but in doing so he's exposing those who were sheltered by that overreach to greater economic uncertainty, even pain - and they don't like it.
It's a tough discussion, particularly in a world where there are too many people competing for too few resources. It's all very well for free marketeers to proclaim that if only everyone were given unlimited opportunity, they'd all do better - because there are many who will not do better, either through laziness, or through corruption, or through too much competition for resources. The free market doesn't have all the answers, but neither does socialism or any of its offshoots.
I find this conundrum personally taxing, if I could put it like that. As a result of serving in a US government law enforcement function, I became permanently partially disabled, and have relied to some extent on the income that resulted from that disability. To that extent, I'm dependent on the government. Yet, I also see the point of those that say we as a society are too dependent on government, and should minimize that dependency wherever possible. For able-bodied people, I certainly support that approach, and did my best to live that way during the years prior to my injury. I'd find it very hard to do that today, but there are doubtless those who'd prefer me to "suck it up" and "tough it out". Needless to say, I don't find that encouraging!
We'll never find an answer that satisfies everyone, I guess.
Peter
If we had a relatively homogenous society, this balance would be much easier to achieve, however we don’t. As a result, there will always be those who demand more from everyone, like portions of the black community.
ReplyDeleteWhen New York mayor Mandami proposed taxing people who are leaving New York at this time, I wondered how would he transfer the services payed with taxes. We pay taxes for services rendered. No service - no tax. Why would people pay for no service ?
ReplyDeleteAs a person who spent over 35 years working in a steel making facility, and whose body finally broke down from manual labor and a serious traffic accident that resulted in a broken back and pelvis at age 20, I also am dependent on disability. But I paid in a very large amount of money to Social Security during my working years, so I consider that disability to be insurance and not government largess.
ReplyDeleteI actually began my working experience at age 11, mowing lawns and babysitting. At age 14, I was washing dishes in my parents restaurant for 50 cents an hour.
At age 16, I pumped gas for 22 hours a week, plus was very involved in school activities. I worked Friday and Saturday nights from 5-10 and Sunday from 9-9.
So now at age 65, I don't feel bad for my monthly paycheck that comes via direct deposit. I think that I have earned that, as have you. People our age grew up in a different time and with a different outlook on life. I blame the federal government, on both sides, for making us into basically a welfare state. I mean if I were starting out over again now, I don't know how I would live, but I hope to think it would be the same, earning my way.
I have often said that I was pretty much an adult at age 15, and could have lived on my own, had the need arisen. I wonder how many people today could say the same thing?
I want to stress that you have my full respect and I'd buy you a drink of your choice any time.
DeleteUnfortunately the government never was saving your paycheck or investing the money. The funds you put into social security went to those who were on it. Today, the money me and other "young" working folks are putting into it is the money you are receiving each month.
The problem is as population declines, such a system is not sustainable.
"The only decent political solution was to take some of that advantage away and hand it out to those who, through no fault of their own, had achieved less. Wealth redistribution or, as it came to be known, “social fairness”, relied on the idea that even your apparent virtues – self-reliance, responsible behaviour, determination – were actually unfair privileges."
ReplyDeleteHm...seems like someone else said something similar a long time ago, but a bit more succinctly. It went something like:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
What was that guy's name again? Max? Mark? Oh right, Marx, that's it.
Actual Justice Warrior has a recent video on trying to develop property in blue zones. Good vid, worth a watch.
ReplyDeleteThere's a clip from a council woman he likes to play in several of his, which he plays near the end of that one where she's talking about a developer trying to build a 6 story block of apartments in her area and how she started insisting it have all these "improvements" to it (parks, laundry in every room, EV charging stations...)
Basically by the end of it, there was so many demands if the building got built, it was only 3 stories high. It's really an encapsulation of "the perfect is the enemy of the good."
Now I'm sure that Peter, like me, has known what it feels like to really want shelter. And when you're desperate enough, you'll take anything with 4 walls and a roof. But as we can see in the video, what is so often the case with "government" vs "individual" nowadays is really the perfect vs the good. In this specific example, we could have a "good enough" shelter made to house people - but the government is destroying that effort by insisting that it must be perfect.
That would be the first step to solving this dilemma - accepting that we must sometimes accept imperfect solutions.
I could rant further about how churches and mutual aid societies could also fill in this gap (as they once did) but even those examples were ultimately strangled by the government because people decried them as "imperfect." In America at least, one could think of Left vs Right arguments as Perfect vs Good Enough - Utopia vs Etopia.
For those of us that favor the individual rights approach, I don't know of anyone who thinks that disability for service is unearned. Or for things that one prepaid for, like social security.
ReplyDeleteIt is the unearned social safety net that bothers me. I think of it as bribe money paid to prevent the dregs of society from rioting. And I don't like negotiating with terrorists.
Big difference between the Government taking responsibility for a person injured in its employ...
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government supporting lazy, fit people for the purposes of buying votes and creating kickback programs to enrich politicians.
Huge difference.
We might also call this the eternal war between the ant and the grasshopper.
ReplyDeleteMy libertarian view of the subject:
ReplyDeleteI would say for you, me, and anyone else injured in public service and getting benefits or even civilian jobs receiving workman's comp is not the same as the average person on welfare. I don't know your personal circumstances and how you were injured and how you came to receive benefits but it feels analogous to what I have in that I was injured in the line of duty performing my job in the military, for you law enforcement. From my perspective I am receiving VA Health benefits and disability benefits as part of my contractual benefits and VA disability compensation as part of my contract with the US Army and being injured during my time of service ( even more than civilian jobs it is written into law for our military at least).I wish I had never had to use that part of my benefits. I lost out on way more income than I have ever received due to inability to work long physical hours (even just standing) compared to the little amount I have received in disability benefits. Especially for a job that I earned less than a dollar an hour working while I was there. I calculated the average hours a month while I was in that we were on duty and working against my monthly wages and it averaged less than a dollar an hour for when I was in. Minimum wage was I think 3.75 or so an hour at that time. Now many service members didn't work the long hours we did as light infantry and got to go home every evening, but this was what we earned in the jobs I was in. My unit spent 265 days a year in the woods training and deployed living in sleeping bags, you were sleeping on the job in fits and starts, with no time off sometimes for weeks and months at the time.
Benefits for injury in the line of duty such as military or law enforcement or even civilians with workman's comp are not getting welfare, they are getting contractual benefits based on injury in the line of duty or work. Civilian employers contribute to workman's comp under the law to cover employees who are injured at work that removes their ability to work. It's not as comprehensive as military benefits from what I understand but it is still a contractual benefit by law that is payed for as part of the benefits of being employed.
I stand with God and Paul on the issue - "By the sweat of your brow" and "Those who don't work don't eat." Charity, of course, should be given individually and without government coercion or force. But where I really part with the moralizing masses is on the purported 'marginalized." I'm genuinely sorry if your child suffers from a mental or physical disability or life threatening allergy (my own grandson is somehow allergic to peanuts although his father grew up eating PB&J sandwiches). It is NOT society's responsibility to provide you with a special diet or 'equal access' or education at everyone else's collective expense.
ReplyDeletePaying collectively for the 'disabled' and/or the less capable is a luxury provided by affluent white Christian societies. America no longer meets that definition. The 'have nots' have overwhelmed the carrying capacity of the shrinking number of smart and capable. God never said life would/should be 'fair' let alone 'equitable.' Our insane fixation on the fallacy of 'equality' will damn us all.
It does not matter what people think. The financial apocalypse of the USA is very close. The people in charge will have to decide what is important and what is not important. Very tough choices will have to be made. A possible look at this coming disaster is in "The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047" by Lionel Shriver:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.amazon.com/Mandibles-Family-2029-2047-Lionel-Shriver/dp/0062328247
Nate,
ReplyDeletethat is the crux of it. The people using the benefits right now that they paid into deserve them. Those younger that are years away from benefiting but see the writing on the wall that it isn't sustainable are upset to contribute to something they don't think they will ever see. Everyone from our politician critters to the average Joe all understand it is a ponzi scheme that statistically isn't sustainable with lower population growth and a massive number of the older generation having gone on or getting ready to go on social security.
However there is some stuff that I don't hear much of anyone talking about. Between foreign critters being kicked off some of the welfare with deportation (small effect) and a massive number of older citizen critters dying dead over the last 6 years, we have seen an actually negative trend in those on social security for the first time ever. I believe peter maybe posted about this linking a article.. maybe covidwithcoffee? where one of the major Obamacare/medicare insurers was deep in the red this year due to a massive amount of people no longer being on the insurance rolls (they are dead) and the government is no longer paying their premiums, while people still alive are having a major uptick in medical issues. Issues that if you look carefully might tie back to stuff going wrong because of the vaccines. I have said that the effect of COVID and then double down more than 10x the effect of the vaccines are going to kill a massive number of people. The best I can tell there is nothing we can do about it.. It's a done deal and will roll out with negative consequences over the next decade and longer. Those drawing SS will be massively affected more than any other group. Sadly those from teens all the way up through those drawing SS will also lose a percentage of that population slice. You can expect to see continuing down tick in number covered under SS. But uptick in those using needing help or early SS due to medical conditions. My bet is the death rate is going to steady at a very bad hi rate.
The to confuse stuff even more I am predicting that more than 50% of the US workforce will be laid off in the next decade due to AI. The sum of all that is that we will see massive unrest and violence as people start to starve, being unable to pay for food due to being unemployed.
What actually happens is anyone's guess. Politician critters are masters at kicking cans down the road and profiting from it, but mostly holding a bare minimum of civilization together for decades. I would never have believed 20 years ago we could still be bumbling along with 40 trillion dollars in debt. If they were smart they would make any business with less than a million dollars in revenue totally untamed and remove all barriers to entry in what every you wanted to do to create a massive small business boom and individually run businesses boom. It would be a real wild west of commerce both good and bad but it would make it so that a gazillion people currently unemployed and those soon to be could take a table out and plop it in their yard and start providing services and products in person or on line without being harassed about business licenses, most zoning, regulations that are impossible for a shoe string budget new business could never afford and all the expenses of attorneys and accountants etc.. either the cash flow of the average person needs to accelerate drastically in a good direction or it will decelerate with fatal consequences.
> The eternal conundrum: individual rights versus community needs
ReplyDeleteBuncha Utilitarian Chicago economists sitting around a table deciding how many ugly old men a week get to have sex with unwilling young women in order to maximize societal happiness. "Community Needs" is Communism.