Thursday, November 20, 2025

Another perspective on the job market

 

Mike Rowe, who's spent much of his life trying to revive interest in the skilled trades and related jobs, spoke with Ford's CEO the other day.  In the light of our discussion about jobs yesterday, I've taken the liberty of reproducing most of his interview here.


I just had a great conversation with Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford Motor Company, which will air Sunday night at 10pm on One Nation. (That’s Kilmeade’s show on Fox.) Jim told me that as of yesterday morning, Ford Service Departments around the country had 6,000 empty bays. Not because people’s cars and trucks didn’t need fixing, but because the shortage of technicians has become that profound.

Ford isn’t alone. Every single automotive company in America is struggling to hire technicians, and the problem – (in spite of what you’ll likely read in the comments,) has nothing to do with the pay, the benefits, or the working conditions. These jobs offer a clear path to a six-figure career, with little to no college debt. In part, the problem is mathematical – this year, 37,000 new techs were hired across the country. Unfortunately, 76,000 retired. That’s a 2:1 ration, which is actually pretty good, compared to the 5:2 ratio in most of the construction trades. But along with a lack of warm bodies, there’s a lack of interest in the work itself. A will gap, in other words, combined with a skill gap. Happily, I think that’s about to change. Unfortunately, at the expense of a colossal upheaval.

I know I’m a broken record on this, but I think our workforce is about to undergo a truly seismic change. Amazon is eliminating 14,000 corporate roles, citing both economic concerns and the impact of artificial intelligence on how the company operates. Some say the actual number will be closer to 30,000. UPS is cutting 34,000 operations roles, driven by automation. Target, Intel, Paramount, American Airlines, Starbucks…every week, another big corporation lays off thousands of people whose particular skill sets are no longer relevant. And yet, not a week goes by when some industry leader like Jim Farley doesn’t tell me about the extraordinary, unprecedented difficulty of getting skilled workers into the pipeline, and onto the jobsite.

I’ve never seen it like this. I’ve spent seventeen years trying to reinvigorate the skilled trades, by making a more persuasive case for the opportunities at hand. Typically, I’ve focused my efforts on young men and women starting their careers by offering scholarships to trade schools, and this year, I’ll redouble my efforts in that regard. But as of today, I’ll also be thinking about the hundreds of thousands of white-collar workers who are either going to retire prematurely, or hit the reset button, and learn a skill that’s in demand. Because many of those people simply don’t understand the other side of the workforce, and the myriad opportunities that exist today.

Last month, for instance, in Plano, Texas, I toured a Data Center. It was overwhelming, and in some ways, a little unsettling. But I met with a few electricians while I was there, who told me they’d all been poached from different companies at least three times in the last two years. These guys were all under 30, and all making well over $200K a year. They constantly get offers from the competition for ever-increasing salaries, because the need for electricians is acute, and their jobs are not threatened by robots or AI. (Not yet, anyway. And probably not in our lifetimes.) The same is true of welders, HVAC techs, plumbers, and so forth.

Apologies, if I sound glib. I can only imagine how scary it is for a middle-manager in a white-collar job, or a paralegal, or a coder, or a stock broker, or a graphic artist, to be told it’s time to “hit the reset button.” I know how absurd it might sound to a person in that position to be told that the ship building industry has 200,000 openings, or the energy industry has 300,000 openings, or the construction industry has 250,000 openings, or that Ford has 6,000 empty bays as of this morning.

But that’s where we are. Your jobs are not being eliminated; your industries are being eliminated. That doesn’t mean your only option is to learn a skilled trade. But the option is there, nevertheless.


I admire Mike Rowe for his tireless efforts to improve the image of skilled trades in the eyes of the average American, and highlight how critically important they are to our economy as a whole.  If I were starting over, I'd look very hard at a trade instead of the usual university-to-white-collar route that I followed.  I think I'd have a lot more fun, and I'd probably make more money, too.

Trouble is, so many First World economies have de-emphasized skilled trades as a career path that it's hard to find good training and education in the field.  In South Africa, we had so-called "technikons" as a parallel education path to universities.  One could study for a "technical degree" as easily as an "academic degree", and go all the way to a doctorate in many fields (somewhat similar to the German system of technical education, culminating in the "Dr. Ing." qualification).  Unfortunately, as part of the reorganization of South African institutions that followed the advent of democracy in 1994, the technical universities were folded into the academic system, so that today one can no longer choose which "stream" to follow.  I thought at the time that was a mistake, and I've seen nothing to make me change my mind.

Mike Rowe is doing an outstanding jobs with his Foundation to encourage and sponsor technical training.  More power to him!

Peter


27 comments:

  1. Well, when Farley & his fellow traveler's deliberately decided to embrace product complexity without so much as a nod to maintenance and repairs, this was utterly predictable.

    They probably DID predict the consumer's issues, but when running the corpirate spreadsheet decided the 'we will profit in out repair centers eventually" column outweighed the 'people will dislike & avoid our marques' column.

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    1. Well stated.
      As auto companies put in car computers requiring 1/4 million dollar diagnostic tools, deliberately overpriced to shut out non-dealership work, they also cut out the shade-tree mechanics & shop classes. Those people were the farm team that would supply people to the "repair bays". But having worked on the monstrosities coming out of Detroit now (starter inside the engine??), younger people aren't interested.

      Cars are no longer designed & built to be worked on.

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    2. GM put the starter there. In 2014. "Complexity" has been added for more than 'drive out the mechanics' reasons. No complaints on airbags? Roof rollover protection? Phones syncing with car radios? That came long before Farely was running anything.

      All that overpricing does is allow foreign competition to gain more of the repair part trade. And that is where all those technicians are needed, not at the OEM but at the dealerships. But complain away.

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  2. I've been seeing this for a few years now. I'm a IT consultant that charges by the hour.. 120 an hour for the last 25 years. I've raised my rates to 125 an hour last year. In my area I can't raise it too much because this is ball park for other computer companies. I'm making maybe 60 or 70 % of what I used to charging the same rate. On the other hand I was paying my mechanics 40 to 50 dollars an hour 25 years ago. I'm paying my mechanics 100 to 120 dollars an hour now.. and that is the small mom and pop shops not the dealer.

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  3. One of many problems involved with finding willing employees is the fact that countless people don't want an actual job where they have to show up and actually work. They want to be "influencers" and YouBoob stars getting paid to publicly display their egos. A lot of Gen Z kids think it's easy to get rich doing nothing. They fail to realize that the people who actually make a living being a public assclown are less than 1 in 10,000

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  4. Not only what Anon at 10:01 points out but your treatment of your employees makes a big difference also. Where is the corporate loyalty? Working for a bunch of shysters doesn't sit well in the psyche of the average person.

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  5. Ugh! But ... but ... don't you realise that those kinds of jobs mean getting your hands dirty? Surely the type of people that do those jobs live in fly over country and are beneath the dignity of our "betters". Though, of course, those hicks from the sticks are what make civilisation and the country actually operate and run smoothly and without it, those nice office jobs wouldn't be able to exist.

    Definitely an Eloi and Morlock situation has developed. I'll leave it to you to decide which ones are which ...

    Phil B

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  6. Whoof. And there is a lot of retirement going on for the tail end of the baby boomers.

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  7. I've been an IT security consultant for 20 years. I'm thinking hard about switching to HVAC. An MBA *class* at University of Houston is $4k. Journeyman HVAC classes and certification at Wharton Junior college is $4500 all in. I'd get a loan and buy a business from someone that was retiring.

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  8. With specific regard to the automotive industry, why should young people enter now when the industry is switching to electric vehicles? There’s no long term career.

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    1. First of all, the switch to EVs has plateaued; not many people want them and most of those people have them.
      Second, despite the claims otherwise, they also need repairs and maintenance. It's different but still there.
      Third, some equipment can't be replaced by EVs, so some form of ICE will always be around.
      Jonathan

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  9. Not only is there a "Will" gap, there is also a gap in "people who can drug test, and who can show up clean and sober at the start of the day"....and even more for people who can show up 5 days in a row.

    For those who can do that, the opportunities are pretty much endless. If you have any training in any technical field or a skilled trade, then you are pretty much guaranteed a decent job.
    Welders who are willing to work hard and travel can make in excess of $200K a year.

    If you wanna be an auto tech, you can make more than $50 an hour...and you don't need a quarter million dollar scantool. You can get one for about 5K a year. You'll need about 50K in tools though.

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  10. "the advent of democracy" is an interesting way of paraphrasing "handing the country to the savages".

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  11. Bloody hell.
    I'm old enough that when I was in Jr High, at least one shop class was mandatory for boys (the girls had to take home ec) just like PE. And when I couldn't take PE any more because of a medical issue, they put me in 2 shop classes instead. Now-a-days you can't get a shop class if you want one in most schools.

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  12. And yes, as Anon at the top said, I would be quite happy to impale 4/5ths of the automotive design engineers, with pointed comments to the rest about serviceable and robust designs, lets they join them.

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  13. I wish school guidance counselors would look at the trades skills at Community Colleges, instead of regarding them as second class careers, with four year degrees in academic courses being they believe the best way to go.

    Dartmouth College costs $100,000 a year, and while some may merit scholarships (discounts) times four years is a lot of money.

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  14. Also read "Shop Class as Soulcraft" by Matthew Crawford. Perhaps if more people realized the pride and joy of working with your hands and head, instead of being an office drone, it would be easier to fill some of those positions.

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  15. I'd love to enter a skilled trade, but I am a late middle age man, and most of these fields discriminate against anyone other than young people entering the workforce.

    Shipbuilding? I'd love to learn how. Are the firms in need willing to train people, or do they just want to sit and b*tch about the shortage?

    Auto mechanics don't make 200K right out of the gate, tell you that. Around here, the local Ford shop pays a whopping $12-15/hour for a starting tech. Big deal. I can make that at McDonalds.

    Bring back apprenticeships, but open them up to people of all ages who are qualified. In the state where I used to live, no one over the age of thirty-nine could enter carpentry, electrical, plumbing, pipe-fitting, heavy equipment operation, and numerous other trades occupations due to union work rules and age cutoffs.

    There are very real reasons for the shortages, but no one wants to take an honest look in the mirror and ask why.

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  16. I would add that there is some ageism and credentialism baked into some of these trades. Despite being a homeowner who has had to solve many problems with plumbing/lawnmowers as well as doing some basic auto repair and gunsmithing, a lot of places want to see either a previous paid job or 1000 hours at a school. I am almost 50, have a family and can't find time and money to go to classes. But I still have nearly 20 years to work. Also, the political/economic seesaw is no help. Two years ago I walked into a machine shop that was recommended as a lead on a machining group that I belong to on FB.They said my timing was bad because of the interest rate changes just 6 months before. They laid off 15 people when a contract was cancelled because of that, and they said they would've been happy to let me in as a roughing machinist on a manual lathe. Who would learn a job, if the stroke of a pen can destroy it. There are many reasons for the skill/will gap. Somebody has to break the cycle.

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  17. Anon @ 3:12 -
    That's not how the HVAC & plumbing industry (unionized and regulated almost everywhere) works. You do not get to start out at the top. You start out as an Apprentice. This usually lasts 2 - 4 years under the tutelage of a Journeyman. Then you can take the test to become a Journeyman yourself. A few years (and a few classes) more, then you can take the test for your Master's license. Only a Master can legally own a business.

    Formal classes don't actually help you much at the bottom of the union ladder, but they are necessary for higher advancement. The theoretical and practical base work won't hurt, of course. Especially in states where the pipefitters (high pressure/high temperature/exotic fluids) are included in the same union.

    You want to take a class in the trades? Find classes on machine shop work, if you can. They're desperate for new blood, but many (most?) don't have the time and patience to train up young men themselves. Welding is also a handy skill to add to your repertoire.

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  18. I'm a mechanic, I make good money at it but it's shit work. The dirty jobs part I don't have a problem with- but huffing exhaust fumes, brake dust and solvent for years means these guys who retire usually are dead within 5-10 years.

    I am a big fan of Mike Rowe, I enjoy his Paul Harvy inspired show on TBN. But advising young people to get into the trades is like telling boys to join the NFL you can make good money but you will be physically broken and have CTE by the time you are 30. An extreme analogy, yes but I have worked with 60 year old mechanics with brain damage and cancer. Kids, become an electrician or plumber, just not a mechanic.

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  19. My neighbor is a supervisor of a heavy equipment shop at a large mine: he can't get enough workers, and many of those he can get don't last because they won't follow the rules and show up consistently.
    They start at $30/hour!
    If you can get a loan for a service truck, they'll pay you $175 an hour and guarantee you 50+ hours a week on site - and even that isn't enough to get enough workers.
    Jonathan

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  20. After thirty years working in the weather, I wanted my kids to be able to get out of the rain. They are doing very well inside. Assuming that other parents had a similar experience, I can see why they would direct their kids away from trades. Still, I know a petite young woman who is one of the most coveted diesel mechanics in town. She makes a lot of money.

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  21. Lincoln Technical Institute provides training in many areas (electrical, HVAC, welding, etc.). Companies like Johnson Controls, from which I retired (salesman) two years ago, partner with them to hire graduates. Tuition support is available from many sources. Most of the fire alarm techs I worked with made more than I did, and earned every penny of it.

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  22. People like regular meals. The moment the middle class stops paying people to not work, including social security, they will start working. Politicians will be hyperinflating the dollar, which will force the issue.

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  23. I'm in Alabama taking advantage of my local community college. I'm taking an intro to welding, just learning how to lay straight lines with MIG, but the foundation to good welding. I'm also taking a Propane Technician course to install propane in residential and commercial property. Both classes about 25 people showed up and within 3 weeks only 1/3 of people are showing up. Early next year I will do CDL and Heavy Equipment Operator. I'm over 60, but I've already heard people need help for 1 or 2 days a week. Should things go bad, well, I'll have skills and contacts.

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