A good friend, whose views and judgments I trust, was very angry this past weekend at the thought that the USA might "force" Ukraine to make peace with Russia, giving the latter country most of what it it wanted and leaving the former impoverished. He's right, of course: an "enforced peace" would do just that. However, is that sufficient reason not to pursue it?
Let's start by acknowledging that Russia was and remains the aggressor in this war. No question about that. However, few people are willing to acknowledge just how much pressure the USA put on Russia through Ukraine to weaken the former superpower. The so-called "Maidan Revolution" in 2014, and the popular uprising that preceded it, was organized, sponsored and actively supported by the USA. (Hello, neocon Victoria Nuland and her infamous "F*** the EU" comment. The Russia-Ukraine war today owes much to her interference and hostility. I wonder just how much blood she has on her hands because of that?)
Furthermore, people don't like to remember or acknowledge that the USA supported "46 Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and diagnostic sites" under the Department of Defense's "Biological Threat Reduction Program (BTRP)". That fact is acknowledged openly by the DoD, which strongly denies that those facilities had anything to do with biological weapons. So, tell me, DoD - in that case, why was it necessary to sponsor no less than 46 such facilities in a foreign country (and former adversary during the Cold War) on the border of Russia (ditto)? Why not fund them inside the USA instead? Is it any wonder that Russia took that to be a hostile act and a major threat to its security? If I were Russian, I'd view it in precisely the same way.
Those and other factors (of which there are many) don't excuse Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but they do make it clear that the former had reasons for its actions, and the latter had few believable excuses. The US also has few, if any, rational justifications for its military support for Ukraine. As I pointed out before the war:
There is no, repeat, NO reason for Americans to lose their lives to defend a corrupt, incompetent regime in Ukraine. We have no compelling or vital national security interest to defend there. Anyone who disagrees with me is free to identify such an interest and explain it in a comment to this blog post. I'd love to read it.
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We've seen this tactic used time and time again in multiple countries over many centuries. Are things getting out of hand for the powers that be in their own country? Then, quick - let's make the citizens focus on an external threat, something around which they'll feel duty-bound to unite and ignore anything else. While they're focused on that, we can get away with whatever we like internally.
China's doing that right now over Taiwan.
Russia's doing that right now over Ukraine.
The USA's doing that right now over Russia.
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Afghanistan wasn't worth the thousands of American lives it cost to conquer and occupy it. Ukraine isn't worth even one American life, because there's nothing there that we need or want, and nothing that's of direct and immediate importance to us. Let the Ukrainians and the Russians sort it out. It's their business. If Europe wants to get involved, let them. They're near enough to the problem for it to be their business. We aren't.
There's more at the link. In the years since I wrote that, I've seen nothing to make me reconsider my position.
Even after all that, there are those who believe that giving Russia's President Putin most of what he wants in a peace settlement would be to "betray" Ukraine, and create more problems with Russia further down the line. They may be right on both counts . . . but the countervailing arguments are at least as strong, if not more so. Karl Denninger made some trenchant points over the weekend.
The wise thing to do back before the shooting started was to stop the persecution in the eastern provinces, eliminating the Azov garbage (jailing any who refused to cut that crap out) that nobody can reasonably claim was "legitimate", formally renounce any intent or capacity to enter NATO, pass it into the Constitution to stop the prattling on by European and US interests and recognize through formal and Constitutional protection that Crimea and Sevastopol were and shall remain Russian on a perpetual basis, albeit a borderless entity (e.g. no checkpoints or passports required) to cross between them and the rest of Ukraine.
Of course that's not what happened; the exact opposite was fomented and encouraged and now the violence that resulted is water under the bridge.
You negotiate from where you are today; the foolish decisions you made two years earlier are irrelevant. On any sort of rational analysis the deal put forward under today's conditions is not crazy.
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We'll see if there's a deal to be had here in the coming days -- I'm not convinced there is, but there should be, and if it is to come it will be from the situation today, not prior to when the shooting started.
You have to deal with the cards on the table today which are a function of both your and everyone else's prior acts. You don't get to turn clocks back or pretend you didn't have a hand in any of it; quite clearly everyone did.
Again, more at the link. I highly recommend reading Mr. Denninger's article in full. He lays out a lot of the background that we've skipped here.
Many of those arguing against a peace settlement emphasize that it will cost less if Ukraine defeats Russia's invasion than if Russia is allowed to "win". However, they seldom examine all sides of the equation. For example, consider a recent report published by the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs and consultants at Corisk.
Funding Ukraine’s war effort over four years will cost European governments between $606 and $972 billion, but it would cost them almost double, between $1.4 and $1.8 trillion, to reinforce its eastern flank if Moscow gets its way.
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The funding would go towards an additional 8 million drones, 95 brigades, and up to 2,500 new battle tanks, among other hardware. The report also proposes that the necessary funding could be found by confiscating frozen Russian assets.
Where will Ukraine get the troops and specialists it needs to use that new hardware? It's already so desperate for cannon fodder that it's kidnapping its own citizens off the street and putting them into uniform. The proposal is ludicrous on the face of it - but nobody's recognizing the reality that's staring them in the face. Ukraine is militarily bankrupt. It's steadily losing ground, and it's incapable of regaining it except for short-term assaults which are rapidly driven back. The situation has tipped past stalemate into a slow, steady Ukrainian defeat. If there's a practical, affordable alternative to making peace now, on the best terms available under the circumstances, please tell us in Comments - because I can't see one.
Hundreds, if not thousands, of people are dying on both sides in the Russia-Ukraine war in a situation that can, eventually, have only one end. At least a negotiated peace would save uncounted lives, and let the survivors go on to live the best life they can under the circumstances.
Peter
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Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 because Ukraine spent the previous 6 years killing more than 40,000 Russian civilians.
The Ukraine is a giant tar baby. Not only the US but the EU/NATO use it for bear bait.
Keep in mind that both Minsk treaties were a EU sham to allow the Ukraine to bombard Russian settlements in the Donbass region and to allow the US/EU/NATO to train and build the UAF. When EU leaders were called on their violations they truthfully replied that they treaties were to allow a huge build up in the Ukraine and not to stop the blood shed of civilians.
Another important fact is to remember that Zelenskyy intended to violate the Flank Treaty by rearming the Ukraine with nuclear weapons. He announced that intent the day before the Russian Special Operation started. The US/EU/NATO all, in various capicities, had their fingers in the nuclear rearming process that Zelenskyy stated.
The Ukraine is a giant tar baby and the US needs to get completely out.
Dave
If you keep poking the bear, eventually it will respond.
Funding the Ukrainians with STOLEN Russian Assets.
(Best Has Solo Voice here) "What a spectacular IDEA".
Need I add a sarc tag here. I really don't care about the folks with severe Russophobia screaming that Russian CAN'T WIN and Ukraine is WINNING, nonsense.
Not our circus not our monkeys except it's very clear we had a LOT to DO with it starting AND continuing up to this point.
If you really want American dollar to go down in flames and make everything we buy Weimar Germany level expensive GO FOR IT, steal Russian Assets.
Fiat Money runs on FAITH in its safety and security. Otherwise Zimbabwe's Dollars would be just fine for international transactions but they are untrustworthy and corrupt.
"Full FAITH and Backing of the USA" will mean WHAT? You annoy us it's now OUR MONEY, so bugger off?
Everybody else that FUNDS OUR Debt ridden Economy will KNOW without a shadow of doubt that THEY will ne NEXT when the debt empire needs free "money".
Yes, I am sad about the loss of life this debt monster has done. I am also sad that Islam is actively killing of Christians in Africa and so on.
The American empire has an expiration date. Maybe we're running to that as fast as the Political Temple Monkeys can go grabbing their grift to flee.
Someone(s) is/are making a stupendous amount of $/€ to line their retirement fund; I'd give almost anything to learn (and publicize) their name(s) and amount(s).
I've followed your articles (and many others by many others) and cannot find one single reason for us (the U.S) to get involved (at this point, anyway; the future may change my opinion) in this fracas germānus and I say this being ½ Ukranian.
Why fund 46 labs and research centers in Ukraine? The stuff they do would be subject to US gov inspection and illegal in the US.
Just get it over with! ~3000 dead per day is NOT good... And it's always the 'little people' that pay. dammit...
Ukraine is NOT worth American lives. But if Putin succeeds in Ukraine he WILL be back for another bite at Eastern Europe. He is an old school USSR communist who would love to reconstitute the USSR of his youth. He is a product of his upbringing....which is die hard communism.
Don't you mean areas in rebellion against Ukraine, helped out liberally by Russian arms and little green men?
All the different versions of Russia have always seen access to the Black Sea as a strategic _necessity_, and fought wars over the course of a couple of centuries about it. They've had it for a while now, and they want to keep it; not negotiable.
NATO/EU/US flimflams will make no difference to their perceived need, although they could drag us into the shooting part of a war one side of which we are actively supporting. If the Ukrainians (and their Foreign Legion army) can kill enough Russians/Great Russians [my personal term for Putin's reconsolidated rump USSR], or do enough damage to Russian infrastructure, they could keep some semblance of independence.
Either way, the US should have not played with this tar baby (I love the image the earlier poster used).
Not our call. Not our purpose. Let them fight to the death or until they see the light but stay the hell out of it.
I read that Zelensky just purchased (through a Cypress based offshore entity) the largest ranch in Wyoming, over 900,000 acres. Bigger than the state of Rhode Island or Manhattan island. True? Who knows? But the flash-to-bang time between "conspiracy theory" and "truth" gets shorter every week. I think the disgraced Yermak's announcement that he is "going to the front" is simply a way for him to disappear into thin air.
Europe has a LONG history of fluid borders that depend on how well their army did, this mess in the Ukraine is no different. Europe also has a LONG history of trying to take Russia out and divvy it up.
Couple those two facts with the kickbacks the Dems/Uniparty were getting from the huge amounts of cash we sent to Ukraine... You have "today".
Today the Dems/Uniparty are really missing all that cash, hence the record shut down while trying to extort a TRILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS from the tax payers.
Because, as we spent 2020-2022 relearning, disease is no respecter of borders.
Hey Peter,
We kinda forced regime change in Ukraine in 2014( looking at the Obama administration) and the Russians got pissy when we helped install a guy favorable to the west. So they invaded the Crimea in 2014, and Obama sent them blankets. I remember blogging about that back then. That was the time to do something about it. Help the Ukrainians retrain and rearm. But no, the Ukraine situation became a money laundering operation for certain politicians and when President Trump tried to bring accountability, it was used as an excuse to impeachment if memory serves. Well 2022 rolls around and there is a buildup of Russian forces on the border of Ukraine and Biden administration does nothing, zippo, nada and the Russians invade. now it is President Trump's mess to clean up. The Ukraine is a European problem, the Western Europeans buy their oil and gas from Russia financing the Russian war machine despite Trump's warning during his first term and he was mocked for it. The Western Europe still are having problems meeting their treaty obligations of 2% of GDP for NATO whereas Eastern Europe is having no problem exceeding their treaty commitments. They lived under the Russian bear before and have no wish to repeat the experience. All those people that are all in for Ukraine and "Respect their sovereignty" are the same people that believe in open borders here....Funny that.
Yeah, no.
Let's take this from the top:
1. The idea that we created anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine was always nonsense, but I think the fact that the Ukrainians, unlike the Iraqis and Afghans who folded like wet tissue paper, actually fought on, should bury that notion under concrete.
2. Did you actually read that DoD report? With all due respect, anyone who looks at that and thinks "Bioweapons research" needs to have their heads examined, and anyone who feels threatened by research into countering bio weapons is planning on using them--and anyone who thinks using bio weapons is a good idea is an arrogant, monstrous fool, and I have no sympathy for them.
3. Mr. Denninger's thoughts on what Ukraine should have done can basically be summed up as "Maybe if you were a better cook he wouldn't slap you around as much"--and that he thinks the Ukrainians should have engaged in suppressing political speech on a way that I know he would ranting about if anyone tried something even close to that in the US says a lot, and none of it is good.
Now, let's be real here. Was there ever a snowball's chance in Hell that Ukraine would get the Russian-controlled territories back? No.
Does Russia have the upper hand? Yes.
Does this mean we should give Russia everything they want? No.
Should Ukraine have a say in what their future looks like? Yes.
I doubt Putin is interested in conquering areas with unfriendly populations. Historically Russian speaking areas is a different matter.
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