During my military service, I was never involved with tanks (or any other armored vehicle), apart from hitching a ride on one now and again. I also had a couple of Soviet-built tanks shooting at my position once upon a time, which was most unpleasant. Fortunately they went away without doing too much damage.
Be that as it may, the advent of drone warfare has made many question whether the tank has a future or not. That question has been asked before, of course, particularly when the first anti-tank missiles made their appearance in the 1950's. Those early missiles might have been buggy, clumsy and not very accurate, but if they hit what they were aimed at, the results tended to be unpleasant for those inside. (I can remember the first-generation French ENTAC missile, which was used by South Africa along with later-generation MILAN missiles. The former was a bit of a dog. The latter was very successful, and very useful.)
Two articles over the past week, both by British authors and focused around British and NATO equipment, have examined the issue anew. First: "On Nato’s border with Russia, I witnessed the death of tank warfare".
Last week Latvia's military chief warned that Moscow has gained an edge over Nato in drone warfare and could exploit Europe's slow rearmament drive and invade the Baltics by 2028.
Nato commanders now face a looming crisis: learning how to fight on a 21st-century battlefield dominated by AI-assisted drones that can rapidly spot and target tanks and military vehicles from the skies.
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Traditionally, the frontlines were ruled by tanks. Acting as armoured juggernauts, they were able to punch through enemy defences with firepower.
And while military planners still believe tanks have a place in war, some have questioned whether they are able to hold ground as they did in the past.
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Across Ukraine, drones account for more than 90 per cent of battlefield casualties, the vast majority being tanks and armoured vehicles.
The enormous task of overcoming this modern threat faces commanders from across Nato, as allied nations scramble to re-equip their militaries and stockpile weapons systems capable of defending against the inevitable drone onslaught that will dominate the wars of the future.
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To combat the threat posed by Russia, Nato has set up the eastern flank deterrence line (EFDI), to defend its border from Finland to Romania.
It is like a modern-day Maginot Line, an ill-fated series of fortifications built by France in the 1930s but which failed to stop Nazi Germany from invading in the Second World War.
However, Nato chiefs are confident the EFDI will be able to hold, using AI-enabled targeting and autonomous systems to destroy assaulting troops and vehicles in a kill zone stretching hundreds of miles.
"We have changed our exercises to directly rehearse how we will fight," said Gen Christopher Donahue, the commander of US Army Europe & Africa.
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Currently, the Army has around 6,000 drones in its arsenal. However, it is understood these could be depleted within a week in a war with Russia. Soldiers say the pace of drone delivery needs to increase, describing the kit as "absolute game-changers".
"We need to get them rolled out like now. I can't emphasise it enough," said Cpl John Mackenzie, 27, who was training in Finland.
There's more at the link.
Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former tank officer, has a different view. His article is titled "The tank isn’t dead. It’s just changing."
In the drone-infested battlefields of Ukraine, and across Nato exercises increasingly dominated by unmanned systems, it is easy to conclude that the tank's days are numbered. The burnt-out wrecks of Russian armour scattered across the Donbass seem to provide compelling evidence.
Yet history urges caution. Since the first great tank battle at Cambrai in 1917, commentators, academics and journalists have repeatedly declared the death of the tank. Every time, they have been proven wrong.
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Reducing our ability to conduct armoured manoeuvre warfare would undermine one of the fundamental pillars of land combat, a principle that has endured since the First World War and arguably much longer. An even greater error would be to procure digitally enabled platforms such as Challenger 3 and Ajax without fully funding the active protection systems and hard-kill defensive suites required for them to survive on a battlefield saturated with drones and autonomous weapons.
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The [Strategic Defence Review] correctly recognises that warfare is changing. It estimates that 80 per cent of future battlefield lethality will come from drones and autonomous systems, with only 20 per cent delivered by traditional platforms such as Challenger 3, Ajax and attack helicopters.
The implication is clear: there will be far more unmanned systems and far fewer manned vehicles. The British Army's future force of 148 Challenger 3 tanks is in stark contrast to the nearly 700 main battle tanks in service when I joined the Army 37 years ago. Back then, drones did not exist.
The future battlefield will include robotic combat vehicles. Challenger 3 must therefore operate as the command node of a wider digital combat system, controlling a family of drones and autonomous platforms that enhance both its lethality and survivability.
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Tanks have always been vulnerable when operating without infantry support. The lesson has not changed. Tanks must be protected by infantry. Today, they must also be protected by drones and defended against them.
Again, more at the link.
I suspect the real problem is going to be economics. If a $24 million [Wikipedia's figure] Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 tank can be taken out by a few drones costing less than $5,000 each (possibly much less than that), what's the point of spending that $24 million on one tank instead of four or five thousand drones? There is a point, of course, from a military perspective, but what's a politician going to think (and say)? How can he justify the larger expense to his constituents when they're clamoring to save money on defense and spend it on entitlement programs? That's the cold, hard reality of politics in almost every NATO country right now, and the USA is no exception.
The same arithmetic affects almost every branch of military expenditure right now. For example, a friend served in an artillery battery with the US Marine Corps. His M777 howitzer costs $3.7 million apiece (according to one source). Medium- to long-range drones, accurate enough to hit their targets first time, every time, and even to fly into buildings to run down their exact target, cost about $10,000 apiece from Western manufacturers right now. Thus, the cost of one M777 cannon, without ammunition, would instead buy up to 400 drones of equivalent terminal performance to an artillery shell, with their warheads built in. Is it any wonder that the USMC (and many other armed forces around the world) are either considering, or already actively engaged in, reducing their artillery forces while increasing their drone forces?
I'm sure many of my readers have sufficient expertise and experience to weigh in. What say you, friends?
Peter
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David Drake showed us the way with Hammer's Slammers. Every armored vehicle had automatic weapons and a sensor system that could eliminate anything flying nearby.
We're recreating the Great War with drones instead of biplanes. Why haven't we fielded large numbers of efficient and effective fighter drones yet?
The conflict in Iran has proven that slow, relatively inexpensive manned aircraft can be very effective at destroying large numbers of drones in the air. Why aren't we building hundreds of them?
Like the horse Calvary vs the machine gun.
Like the Mighty Battleship vs the waves of aircraft bombs and torpedoes.
Like the powerful American Aircraft Carriers vs hypersonic Satellite aimed ballistic missiles. Iran's restraint is because they don't want to give Trump a "Pearl Harbor" rallying cry.
Change occurs in warfare. Older systems get new roles or like the Horse Calvary die in mass assaulting dug in machine guns.
Or Main Battle Tanks like the Merkava with Trophy Anti-Drone systems get swarm attacked and destroyed in Lebanon.
Seems cost and the decision to keep the human in the kill loop of warfare is part of the discussion.
Simple self-guided drones exist to go to a preplanned area and loiter until an acceptable target shows up. Seems that was the reason some F15 Stike Eagles got smurfed just before Trump decided to do the Talk, Talk, Talk instead of bomb diplomacy.
That and our supply of long-range standoff weapons has been severely depleted to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars and years to replace.
No active radar was used to attract anti-radar missiles, just improved passive IR trading shorter engagement radii for the sudden sprint attack against the F15.
Technology continues to evolve. Will humans stay in the cockpits and armored vehicles and thus the kill loop?
Are tanks dead? England and America are currently unable to produce new MBT hulls and turrets due to "cost cutting" and elimination of skilled workers and factories for large castings.
Our "new' Production is refitting older stock. Like Russia refitting their older tanks in storage for the Ukraine combat. HOWEVER, Russia, China and oddly enough South Korea DO have the ability to produce effective MBT.
Poland has decided to spend a huge amount of money to build out a powerful mix of Abrams and South Korean K2 MBTs.
But then again Poland sent lance equipped horse calvary against German Panzers in WW2 so....
Skynet is nearer than we want to think about.
As I have a copy of Hammers Slammers right here I noticed they have unlimited power from fusion reactors, asteroid mined irridium cast hulls and turrets and only a few High Tech planets could build those panzers.
Not exactly real today. Anti-drone systems like Trophy have been overwhelmed by cheap swarm drones.
As to your comment that slow cheap aircraft are effectively shooting drones down PLEASE give us a link as it's news to me.
Michael the anonymous
The advent of energy weapons will defeat flying drones and restore some protection to land platforms. However, lasers will need a lot of energy, thus dictating a minimum size to the land platforms, meaning battle-landships. On the other hand, land drones capable of using cover and concealment will ascend over the flying drones. The battle of shield vs spear drives on.
Imagine a drone which can land on a tank's gun barrel and crawl in the end to plug it sufficiently to prevent it from being safely fired.
Warfare s changing. However, the advent of drones is in the early stages. They are more lethal now than they will be in the future, as countermeasures and new tactics are brought to the battlefield.
The early days of the machine gun changed warfare, as did tanks in response to trench warfare, and air power did.
Here's one example of old-tech planes shooting down drones:
https://tinyurl.com/vr8ducn4
A larger aircraft, two articles:
https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/ukraine-an28-drone-hunter/
https://defence-blog.com/an-28-armed-with-interceptor-drones-goes-hunting-for-russian-shaheds/
None of those aircraft are hunting drones over a land battle, however - they're concentrating on bombardment drones. Ukraine does have interceptor drones on the battlefield that can target enemy drones:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkirichenko/2026/03/12/why-ukraines-drone-defense-ecosystem-is-in-demand/
I have no experience in such matters, but consider, if you will, running robodog mines. In packs.
I suspect what is going to happen is what typically happens. High Command will fight the last war until enough losses are taken that they understand that once again war has changed.
Or basically they will ignore everything that is happening in Ukraine, send armored out as per usual, the armor will continue to take losses until high command has no choice but to pull them back.
What we are seeing here is the dawn of the latest change. The bow to the sword and spear, the musket to the suit of armor, the machine gun to the infantry wave, etc.
There will be a way around this, but it might be years or decades before one can be created. These sorts of advancements don't simply appear weeks or months in.
Right now most doctrines focuses on a few things. Control the sky, use of artillery/missiles, and use armored vehicles or tanks to move infantry safely into and through enemy territory. Most of this will need to be updated or changed in the face of this latest shift of war.
With the drones in play, control of the sky provides less return than before. Drones are small and you can set up small areas for controllers to act from. Basically it negates a lot of what control of the sky used to prevent.
Artillery and Missiles are expensive and drones and soldiers are cheap depending on how much you value your men. If drone control is not centralized then you could wind up burning hundreds of millions if not billions playing wack a mole against cheap 5K drones. Its not sustainable. Which says to me that missile use would become somewhat more limited. Artillery less so, but it would by its very nature put the artillery pieces onto the battlefield which puts them at risk. So probably less use from them as well.
The use of armored vehicles and tanks to move infantry about is almost certainly going to come to an end. Not immediately, but it will become less and less useful for the moment. I suspect once things calm down we will start to see a mix of more infiltration tactics for infantry and more slow moving defensive advance style strategies in use rather than a full on offensive strategy.
There are ways to deal with drones. We can already see from Ukraine various tactics being used and invented. Be it hunter killer drones, net-guns, overhanging nets to keep the drones from going in specific directions, an on and on.
However this simply lessens the issue. The problem is like the old knights of old, armored vehicles at this moment are simply a huge expensive target. Sure they do well against infantry and enemy vehicles, but drones are cheap, fast, and quiet. More to the point the enemy can trade dozens of drones per vehicle are come out ahead.
So until some new game changing tech becomes available armor will likely be pulled back and kept behind defensive lines as support rather than the spear of the attack.
Personally I think what will be used to bring it back will be limited range directed EMP counters, made small enough to be placed on vehicles. They would need to be able to be recharged in a short period of time, and would need some sort of targeting assist program to keep the drones from sneaking up and killing the vehicle from the rear. But that's just a guess.
- W
Michael, Iran has fired some of their 'carrier killer' super missiles that they got from China, and they all failed. Like many of the other super weapons that China sold Iran. Big failures all.
As to battleships being obsolete once air power came around, that is definitely a big huge false statement. Yes, we 'lost' battleships at Pearl Harbor, from a surprise attack, but all but one of the sunk battleships were raised and put back in action. US battleships, totally obsolete, managed to sink other capital ships during WWII, and no seaborne invasion would have succeeded without battleship gunnery. Not to mention the huge amount of anti-aircraft artillery the battleships mounted, along with the ability to mount multiple radar sets, have room for fleet command centers, carry and deploy spotter aircraft that served multiple roles, and on and on. The battleship was so obsolete that they were used in the Korean, Vietnam and Desert Storm wars.
A ship, battleship sized, armored, with nuclear propulsion, mounting missiles, lasers and guns, would be a great asset to our navy. Hey, wait, that's just what President Trump wants with his BBGs...
Now it's catchup time for the tankers... who will win? No idea...
Sorry Beans but I'd like a link for this comment:
Beans said: Michael, Iran has fired some of their 'carrier killer' super missiles that they got from China, and they all failed. Like many of the other super weapons that China sold Iran. Big failures all.
I'd be pleased to read that wonderful news as our fleet command in Asia USINDOPACOM keeps writing articles as recent as last week about the serious threat to American Carriers from China's antiship area denial systems.
I did some research on the "Iran has fired some of their 'carrier killer' super missiles that they got from China, and they all failed. Like many of the other super weapons that China sold Iran. Big failures all."
Seems from what I read it was a pair of CM302 export version truck mounted drones in a mixed drone salvo at the Abraham Lincoln carrier group.
The Aegis fleet defense system shot them down.
Being successfully shot down isn't a failure of the missile it's the success of the SM2 anti-missile missile.
I also note with some amusement that a known Chinese spy ship was nearby no doubt taking notes of Aegis in action.
Probably taking notes on reaction time and how many missiles needed to SWAMP a Carrier Groups defenses.
The truck mounted CM 302 is nowhere near the "super carrier killers" I was describing. It's a Chinese copy of the old Exocet used during the Falkland War.
Bolos, baby! Infinite repeaters! World of the future, aisle 5.
Tank. A four-letter word for Target
Armor as we know it will continue to evolve. Some form of protected maneuver is needed for breakthrough and exploitation phases of offensive operations and mobile reserve of defensive ops. It will not be the current 70 ton behemoths we have today.
Similar arguments have focused on the irrelevance of infantry in the age of autonomous drones. Those discussions are equally hyperbolic. A nation still needs armed and hardened men to control key terrain and protect populations. The organization and equipping of formations will doubtless change, but the function remains.
Start analysis with the critical tasks, add in environmental conditions (terrain, wx, technology, civil considerations, sustainment, etc). Build affordable and robust machines to help men accomplish those jobs. That is how to design a viable force. It is also how cheap drones came to dominate — proof of concept during Albania-Azeri war, modification, then fielding.
Military equipment evolves. The Trophy system revolutionized tank defense and it's obvious that drone defenses must also evolve. I'm not sure what that will look like in 5 years but it won't look like what it is today.
Two words
Bolo
Ogre
there are already laser systems that can be added to the back of a hummv or larger that can shoot down drones (given 5-10 seconds on target) and there are laser systems that are container size that are 20+ times as powerful. controls and adaptive optics are only going to get better. a good laser focusing system is also a good telescope to lock on to targets (you have to have something with a wider angle view to get them close)
once you have a platform with a high electrical capacity, you can start looking at railguns again
as everyone else has said, the shield vs spear balance wobbles on
Will there be fake tanks, basically robo Festivas dressed up to fool a drone. A $2000 dollar fake killed by a $10K drone? There may be a PKD future with drones taking over the surface as we work hard underground to feed the war machine above.
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