A few days ago, the New York Post published an article headlined "China is facing a demographic bomb— and it could handcuff Beijing’s ambitions". Here's an excerpt.
Last week, Beijing’s release of China’s national birth count for 2025 left demographers stunned.
The national birth total plummeted by over 17% from 2024 to 2025, the PRC disclosed.
That sort of precipitous drop is almost never seen in stable modern societies, where births tend to inch up or down from one year to the next.
A decline of this magnitude qualifies as a demographic shock of the sort typically associated with dire calamities like famine or plague — a sign that a disaster or convulsion is taking place.
And these are only the latest readings from the astonishing birth crash that’s commenced under Xi Jinping’s rule: a drop by over half in just eight years that shows no sign as yet of abating.
Tumbling birth rates have already thrown China into depopulation, with over four deaths for every three births in 2025.
With fewer than 8 million new babies in 2025, China is not only down to the lowest level of natality since the Communists took power in 1949.
It’s actually back to birth levels last seen three centuries ago, in the early 1700s, when the national population may have been no more than 225 million — less than a sixth of China’s current 1.4 billion.
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If this continues, the next generation of Chinese will be only be 44% as large as their parents’ cohort — and the following generation will be smaller still.
There's more at the link. It's worth reading the article in full.
That news was bad enough, from China's perspective. However, it may be a whole lot worse. Yesterday I came across a Web site called "Lei's Real Talk". She's a Chinese lady living in the USA who analyzes events and developments in China, and has developed quite a large following. I know nothing more about her than what she says on her Web site, but she presents carefully thought out and cogent analysis of China's real population in the video clip below. The kicker?
She thinks China's population might already be a third to a half less than what it officially claims.
If that's true, it makes the warnings in the article above even more ominous. See for yourself. This is well worth watching, and listening carefully.
If Lei's claims are true, they provide an entirely new perspective on China's aggressive words and policies directed against other countries and alliances. They might be no more than bluff and bluster, demographically speaking . . . might. We won't know for sure unless and until Lei's calculations can be confirmed in some way.
Nevertheless, it's enough to make one think, isn't it?
Peter
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The plummeting birth rate strikes me as being more an artifact of reporting than something real.
They were juicing the numbers and got caught. Or it made sense to stop juicing them and they overdid it. Or something like that.
Wuhan flu might be a factor. China's biologic boomerang is a big self own.
This really isn't that surprising, two generations of their one child policy, combined with ultrasound/abortion for sex selection has resulted if a huge drop in the number of females. People talk about the birth rate in terms of how many children per female, but have been ignoring that in any developing country where ultrasound is introduced, the birth rate ceases to be 50-50 male/female and instead becomes skewed HEAVILY male
The claim is was only ~1.2:1 but nobody seriously believes this
3 thoughts Peter.
One never back a nuclear armed nation into a corner. Napolean and Sun Tsu might have a few thoughts about that.
Two the HAN have a problem. The world is in their eyes HAN and animals that act like humans. That is changing due to the obvious lack of HAN babies.
Three there are three types of lies.
The white lie (I cannot go out tonight I'm feeling poorly)
The Damn Lie
and Statistics.
BTW who is really taking AI's "Superhuman" capabilities seriously? Between outright "Hallucinations" AKA Lies about legal cases that didn't exist and so on and the PROGRAMMERS Biases and how you ask the question....
Wes at https://appalachianrenegade.com/ has posted several of HIS AI discussions and how the AI reacts when you challenge it's replies. Almost like watching an adult challenging a child's "logical assumptions" in real time.
Whenever a social statistic undergoes a large, sudden change there are three questions to ask. (i) Did they change a definition? (ii) Did they change the measurement technique? (ii) Did they make some great blunder?
You'd have thought that the answers ought to be "no" for something as unambiguous as counting births, but even then I'd check.
Fascinating analysis.
"Misstated" Chinese data aside, China was known to be facing a population crash as a result of its 1980-2015 one child policy. That resulted in a lot of sex selective abortions to ensure that that one child would be male; that in turn has resulted in tens of millions of men of military age with negligible prospects of marriage. (India has also had a lot of sex selective abortions but did not have the one child quota.
I've long believed that, like another totalitarian power three generations back, China got itself in economic trouble with its military expansion. However, instead of blitzkreig, mass murder and industrialized looting, China is using a more complex and comprehensive concept of warfare and is using its rising power to grab resources of every kind around the world to help cushion the crash.
The excess military age male population bulge is going to taper off over the next 20 years or so. Maybe that's why China set 2030 as its target date for achieving global dominance.
Lei's arguments only sharpen the danger.
Her suspicions that China's population data have a certain amount of verisimilar inexactitude made me think of Robert A. Heinlein's essays from the 1960s (Pravda Means Truth and Inside Intourist, based on his trip to Moscow with his wife Virginia. They concluded that the USSR was seriously overstating its population.
A friend in Thailand says many Chinese males go to Thailand to look for wives. China and Thailand have had a relatively workable relationship. Issue: The Chinese look for light skinned Thai ladies, many of whom have a Chinese relative in their ancestry. Dark skin Thai women need not apply.
The Chinese people aren't stupid. They see the direction the world is headed in. It's one of the reasons why I don't want kids either.
The article just passively accepted the CCP's claim of 1.4 Billion people. Given the birth numbers they just can't and won't connect the dots to say the ACTUAL numbers are closer to 300 million as Lei's Real Talk speculates.
I was going to mention the Heinlein article. If I remember correctly, his mistake was what he considered Moscow did not include the nearby "suburbs" which the Russians did.
The communists are firmly in control in China. And communists have never allowed facts and reality to interfere with their agenda.
While I'm pretty sure that China has well over 300 million people, I would not be surprised to find out it had well under 1.4 billion.
I've read good arguments in the past that third world countries are substantially overstating their population - it is not only a point of national pride, it is brings in more income from population based international aid (not applicable to China, but applicable to almost other countries outside North America and Western Europe).
Jonathan
I have listened to Lei's analysis for a while. In addition to population analysts
?,she also has great analysis on the ongoing economic trouble and the recent military purges/power struggles.
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