Wednesday, May 21, 2025

Can speed beat drones on the battlefield?

 

The Telegraph calls these tactics "suicidal", but they appear to be working to at least some extent.


Since they were trialled over a year ago, most [Russian] motorbike attacks have ended in failure, with the majority of riders killed before they can reach their target.

Yet, those that are successful solve a key tactical challenge in Ukraine: how to cross an open battlefield under constant surveillance from above – and fast.

Russia’s military is said to be planning to systematically integrate motorbikes across the front ahead of new offensives.

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Since autumn last year, there has been a considerable increase in bike-led attacks in Ukraine’s north-eastern Kharkiv region and Donetsk to the east, where Russia largely abandoned armoured vehicle usage after suffering unsustainable losses in the winter of 2023 to 2024.

The attacks are fast-paced, but deeply flawed. For months on end, drone footage has shown the remnants of such failures, which have turned the edges of fields and Ukrainian trench lines into a junk yard of twisted metal and burnt tyres.

It is not just bikes, but all kinds of unconventional unarmoured vehicles turning up at the front, including quad bikes, civilian cars, Chinese-made buggies and electric scooters.

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Motorbikes can travel roughly 45mph across harsh terrain, while small first-person-view drones move at more than double that speed. But the drones have to get from their base to the battlefield, by which time the riders have enough time to reach the trenches.

Pavlo Narozhnyi, a Ukrainian military expert, said: “The riders could have five to 10 minutes to storm Ukrainian trenches and attack, often outnumbering those inside.”

By moving fast and spreading out, bikes and buggies are starting to prove “very effective” against Ukrainian artillery and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), he added.

“They now make up 20 to 25 per cent of Russian assaults. It is hard for Ukraine to sustain such relentless attacks,” added Mr Narozhnyi, who is also founder of Reactive Post, a non-profit that supports Ukraine’s artillery brigades.

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The riders’ task is not to attack infantry, he explained, but get further enough behind Ukrainian lines to attack mortar crews and drone units – more specialised soldiers that are harder to replace, he explained.

Ukrainian soldiers are starting to call this the “run, stab and escape” tactic.


There's more at the link, including some video footage of drone-versus-bike engagements.

It's a logical development, provided that the offensive forces are willing to take heavy casualties among their high-speed troops.  What happens when they run out of such troops?  I don't know, but I imagine it'll be hard to find volunteers to replace those that are blown up on television every day.  Soldiers have a well-developed sense of self-preservation when it comes to suicidal operations.  BTDTGTTSTPI.

That might also explain, of course, why Russia has apparently not taken much territory in recent weeks, despite Ukrainian complaints that such high-speed tactics have made defense difficult.  Russia's largely eliminated the Ukrainian bridgehead in the Kursk area, but that's about as far as it's gone.  Could it be that these tactics are costing them so many casualties as to make a larger-scale assault difficult to achieve?  Possibly... but we can't rely on official reports to make that assessment.  Propaganda rules the airwaves in that part of the world.

Peter


22 comments:

Anonymous said...

In Soviet Mother Russia troops are volunteered.

But yes I do believe Russia is running out of conscriptable meat, which is probably why Putin wants a ceasefire.

Anonymous said...

(Insert tongue in cheek) - One carnival show involved shooting someone out of a cannon. Bet troops could cross over very quickly using this method.

M said...

This was a development in WW1 as well, after the first year or so.
The front line of trenches ended up being lightly manned because they would be overrun. But that line would be "front-facing, i.e. not really defendable from the back so it couldn't be used by the attackers as a defense once they reached it.
Then the second and third line of trenches, where most of the troops were, could counter-attack. The front line was also pre-sighted by artillery.
The attackers never could reach the second and third line stuff with any sort of organized troops, and those troops couldn't be relieved or resupplied.
What finally broke this stalemate was armored vehicles in large enough concentrations, plus final exhaustion of one side. Plus armistice.

I don't think speed troops are going to make much a difference, at least not quickly. There aren't enough of them to take and hold a section long enough to be relieved, reinforced and resupplied. They're more in the nature of harassing attacks, intended to make the other side lose sleep and some soldiers.

Michael said...

Propaganda does rule this battlefield reporting.

Drones are a game changer as tactics have to be changed and tested until a successful one occurs.

Anyone remember the over the top WW1 infantry charges? Horse mounted Calvery was soon eliminated as last wars tactics ran into barbed wire and machine guns.

I suspect that offensive attacks have always been more expensive that defensive attritional battles.

I also suspect that the lack of western reporting on Russian Glide Bombs and their effects that that is going to be the primary defensive destroying system as it has been for the past year.

Manned aircraft are due to anti-air have been using stand off weapons almost exclusively and drones for close air support strikes. As shown in the Israeli attacks with F35 "Stealth" fighters firing from extreme range and US Carriers use of stand off vs the Hothi's.

Personally, I think Putin and Co is simply awaiting the economic collapse of the EU. Tar baby style success takes time and time seem on the Russian side at this time.

Don C. said...

Is Hegseth and our military taking these conditions into account for our future war? How many drones have we stockpiled in S. Korea, Japan, Philippines, Thailand, for fighting against the Chinese? Do our carriers, DDGs, CGs, frigates each carry several hundred for use against Chinese ships?

Instead of Golden Dome and its budget of $175K (OK, might be off by a few zeroes), our Chinese spies on the ground could cause a problem during launch of a cruise or ballistic hittile when they first emerge, and are traveling a little slowly. I'm pretty sure that their outer casing is not thicker than that of a tank. These drones should have completely unmarked components, or false Chinese identifiers.

Aggie said...

Just remember PT boats.

McChuck said...

We have been watching a revolution in military affairs, resembling WWI in many ways. Attrition-based trench warfare and infiltration tactics. The swift evolution of drones from observers to bombers to interceptors. The disappearance of helicopters and the degradation of manned aircraft. The primacy of artillery. The vulnerability of armored vehicles to mines, anti-tank weapons, and air power.

And now, the reintroduction of cavalry.

Rick said...

Seems to me this is WWI trench warfare with a technological twist.
Russia is fighting the arms and personal of multiple nations. That old Soviet doctrine does work, even if marginally. So far.
With time it will become more evolved, i.e., successful. Number of casualties will increase. Especially with mud season coming.
The 'coalition of the willing' Euroweenies needs to step off.

Rick said...

McChuck, prior to reading your comment I surmised the same in my comment.

Neither dares to commit air power to any large degree. Air superiority does not exist for any of the belligerents. Arty is likewise limited.
Euroweenie involvement is prolonging the war.

Rather, absent any negotiated cessation, let the two duke it out. Elsewise, take it to the steps of the houses of government of those intruding nations. It is obvious the reason of those nations to be involved. It ain't to save lives.

Rick said...

Trump's Golden Dome = Reagan's SDI.
Is President Trump following Reagan's strategy? What with tariffs et al, is he bleeding China for the same reason Reagan did Soviet Russia?

Old NFO said...

Speed is 'life' in some cases, as PT boats proved in WWII.

Anonymous said...

Hasn’t taken much territory in the last few weeks? Clearly you’re not paying attention.

Anonymous said...

You’re kidding, right?

Anonymous said...

I know right?! I love Peter's commentary and he's usually spot on, but I'm constantly amazed by how awfully wrong (and consistently so) he is on Russia/Ukraine.

Peter said...

Actually, the Russians haven't taken much territory at all. I follow the war quite closely, for professional reasons, even though my military days are long past. If you have evidence that they've taken a lot of ground, kindly provide it, because it's not in the news reports and intelligence summaries that I've read. As for being wrong . . . time will tell who's right and who's wrong. I think it's going to end up in a muddled mess, as such internecine squabbles usually do.

KurtP said...

Bikes and other vehicles traveling at speed and hitting the trenches before the drones can get there.
Which seems to mean they're traveling in semi open country.

What are the watchstanders doing that they can't see or hear anything coming? Dirtbikes aren't quiet.

Aesop said...

Steve McQueen in The Great Escape, and every insurgency manual since the 1930s, showed how to deal with some enemy flying by on a motorcycle.

It isn't rocket science, and only requires lengths of wire and a few trees or poles about 3'-4' in height.

When all your motorcycle dragoons find themselves unhorsed, and lying on the ground next to their own severed heads, using them as a tactic will go the way of the dodo bird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-qHlz4hfak

Dan said...

How do you get troops to "volunteer" for suicide level missions? Simple. Hold their families hostage.

TRX said...

Tuchman's "The Guns of August" talks about how the German tank corps relied on motocycle riders to scout territory ahead of them. The Germans used motorcycles for other things, including 'dispatch riders' moving paperwork, but after a while the French forces came to associate "motorcycle" with "tank" and would usually withdraw since the French had little in the way of tank defenses. The Germans noticed what was going on and began sending out motorcycle patrols to clear French troops from areas the Germans might (or might not) want to move into.

Motorcycles were used for dispatches and some deliveries in WWII, and the US Army has been using small numbers of motorcycles for some special ops work since the 1980s, but the Russians are now among the few who have actually used motorcycles for more than dispatches.

Anonymous said...

I don't know where Vox gets this number, but he doesn't make a habit of explicitly stating numbers and such without having at least some support, though he understandably disdains and categorically declines to humor "SOURCE!!1!" questions.
Anyway, he states the Russia is advancing as much as 30km² per day.
https://voxday.net/2025/05/22/its-time-to-surrender/

Michael said...

Amazing that American troops often signed up for "suicide level missions" in almost every war we've been in.

Almost like bravery must have been replaced with "Hostages".

Dan have you ever served?

Anonymous said...

You can check out weeb union on YouTube. He sources from both sides and doesn't post unless there's video footage. Russia is taking 25-30 square km a day and has been doing so for months. He predicts Donetsk will be completely under Russian control by the end of June.