With all the talk about bringing manufacturing back to the USA, Zero Hedge asks: "Can The Work Ethic Make A Return?"
For generations now, we’ve been told that intelligence and skill are disproportionately distributed in the upper tiers of the U.S. class structure.
Personally, I don’t believe it. It is more likely the opposite: the people who struggle for a living, working two and three jobs to pay the bills, have more skills than most people in the upper third of the income distribution who have never had to worry about paying the bills.
Talk to any serious person in any midsize company today and they will tell you of their struggles. The regulations and taxes are vexing but it is the labor problems day-to-day that really inhibit their operations and progress. It is exceedingly difficult to find workers who will do what they are supposed to do in a timely way, with attention to detail, and without constant hand-holding and praise.
This decline of the American work ethic traces to the educational institutions in part, but also to the reality that most young people in the top half of income earners have never worked a day in their lives until after having earned their credentials.
They are clueless about what it means to embrace a hard job and stick with it until they are done. They resent the authority structures in the workplace and attempt to game the system in the same way that they gamed school for 16-plus years.
It’s one thing to develop skills for survival in classrooms, and a radically different thing to have skills for a new world of manufacturing. Shop classes in high school are mostly gone (only 6 percent of students take them versus 20 percent in the 1980s) and two-thirds of teens eschew remunerative employment completely, simply because it is not necessary. It’s been generations since most people knew anything of farm life, to say nothing of factory life.
Trump is seeking to solve a half-century-old problem in four years.
There's more at the link.
I can only be grateful to my parents for teaching me (the hard way) that money had to be earned. It started out, as soon as we kids were old enough to do simple household tasks, by linking it to so-called "pocket money". We were promised five cents for every year of our age, and were given household jobs according to our capabilities. Mine were mowing the lawn, cleaning up after the dog, washing the car, and so on. If we didn't do any of those jobs on schedule, as required, we were "fined" five cents from that week's pocket-money. If we failed to perform them three times in a week, we lost all that week's pocket money. We soon found out that begging and pleading didn't work, and if we slacked off and half-did our work, in the eyes of our parents that was as good (or as bad) as not doing it at all. We learned.
Also, when we wanted something expensive (such as a bicycle, or a tape recorder when we hit our teens - and yes, my first tape recorder was a well-worn used reel-to-reel unit, because cassette tapes were new-fangled and expensive), we had to come up with at least 50% of its price. We could earn that by doing extra chores for our parents, or (in our teens) by looking for part-time work. (My first part-time job was working at a local pet store during school vacations. I got to clean out all of the cages and boxes - a s***ty job, literally! When I grew older I became a part-time shop assistant at an upmarket store in town, dressed in stiffly starched shirt and tie, waiting on customers and behaving very deferentially.) By such means I always managed to raise half of the money I needed to buy something, and my parents kicked in the rest - but only after I'd earned their support. Again, we learned.
By the time I entered the armed forces, I'd learned that one got somewhere by working hard and showing willing. The military knocked the opinionated asshole out of me (although some unkind people might suggest I've retained a touch of that here and there . . . ). It set me up for the rest of my life.
When I look at teenagers today, in most of the Western world they seem bored, opinionated and self-serving. "I don't WANNA!" is their battle cry. Talking to small business owners in the area, they all complain that attracting willing young workers is a constant battle. If they recruit two people, it's because they know one of them is going to have to be fired, so they have to hire two to keep one. It's expensive and time-consuming for them - two commodities that no small business can afford. Drug and alcohol abuse, laziness and poor time management round out the complaints.
What say you, readers? Do you think today's youngsters, with all their problems and issues, will be willing and/or able to make the transition to modern manufacturing work? If not, what will that mean for President Trump's drive to bring business back home?
Another thought. I wasn't kidding when I said that military service made a man out of me, taking an opinionated, self-centered brat youngster and knocking the stuffing out of him. I wonder whether bringing back conscription might not be a good thing, from that perspective - but I have to admit that too many youngsters today would expect to be feather-bedded, and would complain bitterly about any perceived insult or "dissing" from a drill instructor. (I remember my DI's well . . . I think they'd suffer apoplexy if they had to deal with today's youth!) Good idea, or not worth the hassle?
Peter
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Watch Stripes. That pretty much summed up conscription in the 80's. It is only worse now. I think the smaller town kids are OK. Big city not so much. but there are examples of both hard working kids and wasterls spread across the demographic.
I don’t disagree with the premise, but the second paragraph is a red herring. And he has the correlation backwards. Let me explain.
Many many people who happen to be in the top third income in one particular year never achieve that again. Many of them have in fact had to worry about paying the bills and likely will again. One good year does not “wealthy” make, even 5 good years. Which is part of the problem with progressive income taxes.
Also the top third income started at 170k not exactly life changing money. Even the top 10% is only 240k. In other words we greatly exaggerate in our minds how many people are “living easy” and don’t have to work. The author thinks the top third of income equates to never having to worry about bills. 1 in 3 people. In reality it is more like the top .1% at 3 million, but even that could have been a 1 time payment selling a business.
Only about 1 in every 100,000 households are able to stay in the top 1% for 20 years to have generational wealth.
The decline in work ethic and skills is in the bottom third income making less than 42k as a household not the top third striving to give their children more than they had. Keep in mind the “poverty line” is 31k and 20% of households are below it. 1 in 5 people
There are important skills in manufacturing that take years of experience to acquire. Without the participation of the young, automation will be required, and those lucky enough to be involved with the automation manufacturing will be guaranteed a life-long income.
I don't have a lot of faith in some of the newest generation. They've been taught to be the way they are, and their teachers have been taught to make them the way they are.
I have often thought about the same issue will these kids pick up the slack?The kids we have coming through the door do not last long at all their privy life reigns over work thus after enough missed shifts into the gutter of life.We have finally gotten our first good 20 year old who has a functioning brain,listens(tell him once) and watches what's happening about so there's a glimmer of hope out there.I asked the kid who taught you to seek perfection he answered "no one" I retorted back is your Father a perfectionist he answered "Oh yeah he hates doing things twice".I say now we fall into another subject of the times of parenting....
as long as the chain a command supports and empowers the appropriate one (DI, nco, etc) and EQUALLY enforce requirements for ALL, it would definitely be mostly beneficial to all ( eg jimmy hendrix was discharged for madturbating. i suspect today that is encouraged as a public activity for certain groupings).
if one doesn’t desire the marrial life, create sth akin to a domestic piece corp. mandatory 6 year service on indian reservations, field/migrant workers to replace not really illegals, and like that.
and call all that a “good start” and write Chapter 2…
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his robots and a eye to run it all
he and peetr teal plan beyond chy knees “culture”
so, i think your question is gonna be invalidated by the current
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I have a son who is high function autistic. He is willing to work, and work hard. What he can't do is pass the interview. He thinks in pictures instead of words, and the mental translation time lag is a deal killer for job interviewers.
We're still recruiting southern kids and getting ok results for entry-level tugboat jobs in my company. The company usually fields 10 greenhorns a week as trainees. About half stay past 3 months, and of the remainder, the ones with the most potential are found and mentored, while the remainder are left to sink or swim. The churn is definitely higher. It takes more sifting and sorting to get the people we want, than it did 10 years ago but we do get them.
There should be a clarification here, though, that there is great difficulty in finding high quality entry-level workers AT THE PRICES SOME ARE OFFERING.
We pay 18 year olds fresh out of HS $300 a day for a 14 day on/ off rotation with full benefits. After 6 months they can take 2 weeks of company paid classes and bump up to $95k with potential to go up higher and get a license as an engineer or mate over the next few years.
If you want good people, you have to pay, after all. Granted a company recycling peanuts out of elephant poop is probably going to struggle finding the best and brightest at what they'll pay.
I think the key ingredient is gone now. Nobody under 50 knows the old way of motivating and besides all that is illegal now and those kids all know it. It is literally one of those things that cannot be fixed absent a catastrophe beyond their imagining. In the future there will be a lot fewer of us but they'll be better.
If you want good people, you have to pay, after all. Granted a company recycling peanuts out of elephant poop is probably going to struggle finding the best and brightest at what they'll pay
And their Paul is part of my companies problem they have only adjusted the incoming pay in the last 6/12 months and when those guys are making more than those already there for the last year.....That's good pay for an 18 year old kid out of HS it's hard work on a tug lot's of lines constantly to keep check on from what I understand.
Good grief. Been hearing the same old dirge since the '60's. What has been written is, "modernized", for today's era, . . . but is no different.
At my work we hire 10-20 new technicians every summer, most are 18 to low 20's with some exceptions. When I was one of them 24 years ago they were mostly looking at engineering students from the local college but we have moved away from that (annoying to get someone trained up then they get their degree and go do something else). From what I've seen, starting with millennials and now get z, we have about the same turnover rate year to year, about 50%. Same rate of good vs not employees (unfortunately that doesn't totally line up with who comes back) but their issues have changed.
3 items
1) Productivity has increased by 2% YOY for 50 years. We ought to be 40 hours of labor per household, or 1 working parent. When people start to understand about processed food, having someone at home taking the time to cook healthy meals will be the biggest single contributor towards reducing health care costs.
2) Currently, there is little reward for learning to work. Large corporations with Human Resources see everyone as interchangeable drones. There is insignificant recognition of people with work ethic or skills. DEI and blaming the young for the sins of their great-great-grandfathers doesn't help.
3) Poor Leadership - jobs that are worth paying for are worth doing, but few understand. Even big box stores, you're helping families live in clean and safe environments. We focus too much on the financial and not enough on the social. That said, pay has always been a demotivator, but not a motivator. Look at the purchasing power of the minimum wage in 1980 vs. 15/hr today. The young are getting screwed and know it.
I'm in highway construction and during the constructions season our technicians start at about the same (~21ish/hr) though we tend to be working 60 to 80ish hours a week and doing it in rather remote locations where you are living in a trailer or tent. The work is pretty seasonal (we have seasons, almost winter, winter, still winter, and construction), in the off season we let them take leave / lwop or stay on and learn the fun of being in a bureaucracy and do annoying paperwork all winter. We also have about a 50% churn rate. Still $40k in 4 months with no experience needed isn't bad.
@Paul - that is the very big problem.
There should be a clarification here, though, that there is great difficulty in finding high quality entry-level workers AT THE PRICES SOME ARE OFFERING.
In my career field, they want degreed engineers with 4+ years experience, and will offer technicians pay. When they don't get bites for the job, it's "No one wants to work anymore", and they then go to the Gov't for H1Bs, who will work at that pay rate and live in barracks housing. So we have Americans competing with 3rd worlders for jobs in the US.
And students contemplating a career see this or are told this [I've warned them myself when asked], and avoid our career field. I won't have any replacements to do the work I do, but TPTB have brought it on themselves and I'm not going to be able to change it. From the blogs I've read, similar stories can be said about many other career fields.
That sounds very similar to myself. A pox on all HR personnel! They infest that department because they are mostly incompetent themselves, and there is no real competition in there. A smart company would nuke them, as they don't really provide a useful function, they only make it seem that they do.
The only way around them seems to be to meet someone who works there, and can get you a contact with an actual manager who might be willing to talk to you directly.
What helped me was reading continually. I suspect I became a huge reader to give me a window on the world of humans. I certainly didn't get that help from observing my dysfunctional family! No one remembers when I discovered books. Well before sixth grade. Two books a day, every day, plus other material.
A big factor is that the traditional avenue into the working world, part time help while growing up/going to school, isn't legal for kids, and hasn't been for quite a while. The first encounter with actual paying work is now WAY too late in life for them to learn how to be useful. Unless this situation can be fixed, the system is screwed.
50-60 years of Special Snowflakes has led to 10% of workers doing 90% of the productive work.
The rest are ditch-diggers and floor-moppers, and they don't even do that well, when they show up.
The standouts will always enjoy full employment and a good living. Unfortunately, their reward will be doing the work the 80% cannot do with anything less than a cattle prod shoved up their nethers all the working day.
The bottom 10% should be handed brooms, shovels, and trash pickers, and forced to work for their welfare. Or invited to starve. We've made mollycoddling the wastrels a business, instead of a penal colony, and we're going to pay for it until we cannot.
We don't need a Great Depression any more. We need a Black Death-level plague to thin the herd, or a serious world war. We'll probably get both, and devil take the hindmost. Nature always seeks a balance, and a reckoning is going to bring it. Probably not soon enough.
well, my Dad's idea of summer vacation was to drag my ass off to work. I started at 11 or 12 I think it was . 5 bucks a day helping out. on a concrete crew/ block crew. yup. dad built houses, banks and factories.
anyway, little I realize how much I was learning. how to work. and talk about getting in shape ! you hurt in places you like never before. but, if you lasted the first week, you made the whole summer. and when I joined the army, I was in better or harder shape than my DI where.
around here, there are still some country boys and girls that work. the difference between them and your average city kid is like night and day.
looking back on it, dear old dad did me a huge favor by doing that. dragging
my butt out to work with him. other guys talk about spring break and beach
parties. I never did any of that stuff. I did buy some good tools I still have to this day. yup. some of them are going on 50 plus years now.
learning to work is a great thing for kids . I have a grandson who is trying but still his mind wanders off all too often.
They can do it, once you weed out those addicted to social media and phones. This is where parents have to instill work ethic and drive, and really watch the amount of screen time and age of screen time.
A related problem is that kids get the idea that if you can't do it perfectly the first time, you shouldn't bother trying. All they see is filtered and curated, depending on where they go on the 'Net. So they assume that everyone else does it perfectly the first time. Some of them panic when told that it is OK to mess up, and that the goal is to learn how to do it, not obtain perfection at the first go.
TXRed
" Good idea, or not worth the hassle?"
We was rotten 'fore we started—we was never disciplined;
We made it out a favour if an order was obeyed.
Yes, every little drummer 'ad 'is rights an' wrongs to mind,
So we had to pay for teachin'—an' we paid!
As noted above in this country in this time it won't work. In your case I suspect the prospect of the bush war made it work. David Drake reported that service even in a limited war with a demanding organization cemented his work ethic for the remainder of his life. That's not the DEI armed forces we have today.
See for example This Kind of War by T. R. Fehrenbach for issues with a peace time garrison armed force.
A true anecdote:
In a medium sized Midwestern town there were about a dozen small tree trimming businesses that had 1 or 2 employees that worked with the owner. Every single owner bitched and complained that they couldn't find good help at $15/hr. No-shows, lackadaisical, even some who packed malt liquor in their lunch cooler.
One owner (my brother-in-law) decided to double the pay to $30/hr. He said it was the best decision he ever made. He has never had trouble with a worker since. One went on to start his own trimming business. He said he can't believe the other tree guys continue to suffer with their $15/hr 'help'.
Talk about a win-win! Both his and his employee's lives became so much better.
While Big Business was busy offshoring America's manufacturing, Big Academia was busy rendering most of America's workforce illiterate and incompetent with a massive side of lazy entitlement.
My parents owned an inn and restaurant, working front desk was considered as being my contribution to the family. I'll admit i resented it know my parents went out more than me in my teens especially when i worked my 18th birthday so they could go to a party.
Working as a dish hand paid well as i got paid minimum wage, same with cleaning rooms. Best was waiting tables.
First job out of the family was at a video store just outside a military base. We rented a lit of porn videos out to guys in barracks. My job was to go in each morning before school and sanitize the plastic cases as the often came back sticky.
Exile1981
It's more obvious than ever to the kids that the system is rigged by the mainstream media, central bankers, and warmongers. Middle and high school exists to keep young adults idle and divided and waste their time, and college now is more of that. Small business owners are driven by envy, and have a fixed pay scale unrelated to how much the worker produces. The kids have to be 35 before they start to understand what it takes to compete for themselves against the avalanche of lies by everyone around them.
> JNorth: annoying to get someone trained up then they get their degree and go do something else
You were expecting them to pay back your fixed expense in training with a forever cap in salary and responsibility? Why don't you promote them and give them a large raise now that other employers agree they can do a lot more?
A tiny girl came to the house to give us an estimate on the tree removal. She then talked about what she was going to do 'here and there and up there and over there' and I started thinking, 'this little girl is really full of herself.' She showed up next morning with 2 strapping lads, climbed into her climbing & cutting rig and was up in the tree in no time and tossing down branches for the big guys to pick up and deal with. It was kind of amazing. I think she was the owner's daughter but she was very good.
It's pretty much a given that you almost never get adequate pay for knowledge and experience while working for the same company, even if part of it was classes at school after hours. They still view you as the same employee, just older.
My experience is minimum wage businesses with high turnover usually choose druggies and non aspirational people because they think they won’t leave or will be grateful. Where they retain good workers they look for people going to college or other training who are expected to leave when they get their credentials.
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