If you haven't yet read the two New York Times reports from last weekend about how deeply embroiled the US was in the Ukraine war, you really should find a way to do so. If their claims are correct, there was ample justification under the laws of war for Russia to bombard NATO bases in Europe, and target senior US and allied officers for assassination as active belligerents. It boggles the mind to realize that under President Biden - who, to be fair, may not have known just how militant his subordinates had become - the United States became literally an active co-belligerent with Ukraine in the war against Russia. There's no other way to describe it.
The two articles (behind a paywall) are:
The Secret History of America's Involvement in the Ukraine War
Key Takeaways From America’s Secret Military Partnership With Ukraine
If you can't find non-paywalled versions of the articles, you'll find detailed summaries at these sources:
Here are a few out of many points made in the articles:
• ... a New York Times investigation reveals that America was woven into the war far more intimately and broadly than previously understood. At critical moments, the partnership was the backbone of Ukrainian military operations that, by U.S. counts, have killed or wounded more than 700,000 Russian soldiers. (Ukraine has put its casualty toll at 435,000.) Side by side in Wiesbaden’s mission command center, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kyiv’s counteroffensives. A vast American intelligence-collection effort both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.
• Time and again, the Biden administration authorized clandestine operations it had previously prohibited. American military advisers were dispatched to Kyiv and later allowed to travel closer to the fighting. Military and C.I.A. officers in Wiesbaden helped plan and support a campaign of Ukrainian strikes in Russian-annexed Crimea. Finally, the military and then the C.I.A. received the green light to enable pinpoint strikes deep inside Russia itself. In some ways, Ukraine was, on a wider canvas, a rematch in a long history of U.S.-Russia proxy wars — Vietnam in the 1960s, Afghanistan in the 1980s, Syria three decades later.
• Ultimately, the U.S. military and C.I.A. were allowed to help with strikes into Russia.
As Zero Hedge concludes:
Notably, this is essentially US officials and the NY Times also admitting that the Kremlin has all along been right when it insisted this was never really simply about Moscow vs. Kiev - but that NATO countries have militarized Ukraine and weaponized it against Russia. President Putin and Kremlin officials have been fiercely complaining about US intervention all along, but this was dismissed in the West as merely 'propaganda'.
Tell me, dear readers: how do you feel about our government, our President, committing us to fighting a war - one which might have escalated to the use of nuclear weapons - about which we were never fully informed? If Americans had been killed by Russian retaliation, we would unhesitatingly have blamed Russia for "aggression" - without knowing that the aggression had first been committed by US forces in, and supporting, Ukraine, including chemical and biological weapon research facilities and other destabilizing activities set up by the CIA long before Russia lost patience and invaded Ukraine?
If the New York Times is correct, America is the primary aggressor in the Russia-Ukraine war, and was from the very beginning. Without American involvement in the years prior to the Russian invasion, the war might never have happened. This reality requires a complete reassessment of the current situation, and certainly of America's role in the war.
On one hand, the NYT article spills the beans and informs the public. On the other hand, their reason for purposefully spilling the beans is to create a problem for Trump and Rubio, and possibly between Trump and Rubio.
It makes sense now why Secretary of State Rubio was the first Trump official to publicly say the United States was in a proxy war against Russia using Ukraine as the justification.
On the upside, this creates an opportunity for President Trump to distance himself from the prior administration and withdraw all CIA operatives and admitted/revealed U.S. military boots on the ground in Ukraine.
President Trump could use this revelation, now public and widespread, to reset the U.S-Ukraine dynamic and withdraw all elements of prior Biden authorization from the conflict.
Will he?
Good question!
Peter
33 comments:
This is the New York Times ? It hasn't been credible - about anything - for years. Why should we believe it now?
With all due respect, the idea that this indicates that we were the aggressor in Ukraine is ludicrous, as all of this seems to have happened AFTER Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, which means that Moscow remains the party that started this war.
People tend to think of war as only the kinetic part, but it is in truth much more. We attacked Russia economically. It's one of the reasons Japan attacked the US, it's one of the reasons for the US Civil War (North's policies against the South). The asset confiscation was enough justification historically. Then we supplied weapons to only one side. And its been known for a while we were sharing intelligence. I suspect the Russians would have deduced this from Operations Analysis, i.e. if sensitive targets kept getting hit and the Ukranians don't have the targeting capability, who does?
I was taught 40 years ago in military history that Ukraine was part of the buffer zone and if we wanted to start a war with Russia, making it part of NATO would do so. My father and I both serviced with the Russian Bear being the primary enemy. It seems we may be the Russians enemy but they are not ours.
And now Z says our loans were grants, he needs more money, and he is obviously not negotiating in good faith. I say let the Russians take what they want. I've become an isolationist. We are 37 Trillion broke with massive spending and problems at home. The deep state has caused a lot of damage at home and abroad. We have a lot of clean up to carry out. Acknowledge our part, apologize, and stop it from happening again.
Amazingly, the portion of our population that are slobbering Ukraine apologists will celebrate this fact - they just can't see who the bad guys are anymore.
Shady figures drumming up a war for the US to get involved in. Vietnam seems to ring a bell.
We already knew the Bidenites had set, apparently arbitrary, limits on what Ukraine could do with US origin weapons and systems that made limited sense. I don't see why the NY Slimes would be lying but this makes the Bidenites behavior even less sane. What the F? What were they hoping to gain by any of this?
Not so. It's clear that the USA instigated the 2014 revolution in Ukraine and masterminded aggressive acts against Russia from that point until the invasion in 2022. Those acts included direct military attacks on Russian citizens in certain areas, the setting up of CIA-directed biological and chemical warfare laboratories and facilities (over a dozen of them, IIRC), and other actions. Putin's 2022 invasion of Ukraine has now been clearly shown to be in response to those actions, rather than their cause.
No, it really isn't. The Ukrainians, not the CIA, were the ones in charge at the Euromaidan, there were no biological/chemical warfare research facilities (at least not in the sense of developing offensive capabilities), and Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine is in response to American actions in Ukraine in the same way in which an abusive spouse gets upset when their SO decides to leave and gets help.
Yeah, the people who got invaded because they decided they didn't want to be somebody's sock puppets are definitely the bad guys.
Sorry, but the facts are different. The USA instigated the Maidan rebellion (see Victoria Nuland's later comments - she was a prime mover); irrespective of their purpose, the existence of more than a dozen biological/chemical warfare research facilities sponsored and/or directly run by the USA is an inescapable fact (imagine how we'd feel if we found a similar number of similar facilities operating in Mexico, funded by Russia?); and Putin's invasion of Ukraine was to stop what he considered (and which, in hindsight, I have to agree) was an existential and US-sponsored threat to Russia. I think there's more than enough evidence of that, thanks to the NYT articles. I'm neither pro-Russia nor anti-Ukraine, but facts are facts, and speak for themselves.
Ukraine was invaded because of all-pervasive and enduring anti-Russian activities on its soil. Those activities are now confirmed beyond any doubt. If the USA had found similar activities being directed against it from, say, Mexico, we'd have invaded that country without a qualm.
The biological weapon lab angle in Ukraine I don’t understand the why.
Biological defense research is the same as biological Weopon research. You weoponize a virus, cough cough covid, and then you develop a vaccine.
Russia actually invaded Ukraine in 2014 when they took over Crimea which was Ukrainian territory in 2014. One must be naive to believe the armed bandits
who overthrew the Ukrainian government were crimean residents who wished to rejoin Russia.
You're right. Putin is nothing if not an opportunist, and when he saw how internally distracted Ukraine had become (thanks to US neocons who were actively destabilizing the elected government there), he took advantage of that. His actions were not moral and not excusable - but they were realpolitik. As our own (unfortunately) Rahm Emanuel said, "Never let a crisis go to waste". Putin didn't.
There's more than enough blame to go around on both sides of the Russia-Ukraine war. Both sides are corrupt, ruthless and brutal. The tragedy is that we now know the USA was supporting a government like that against another that was just as bad. We don't have a moral leg to stand on.
The Cia always has been and will continue to be a criminal organization. They are warped to the core. A b52 arc light strike on the Langly Cia headquarters might be the only way to end them before they end us.
It's very hard to turn a patriotic mindset built in from childhood and get them to look at the facts that your country is also one of the bad guys. Or at the least controlled by bad guys and that as a representative republic you also bear some of the moral responsibility. For those still in denial.... do some sweat equity into trying to prove this isn't true, sadly it will only confirm what we are saying but don't just knee jerk that we would never do something like that or that it is justified. I have been looking at this for more than a decade. Honestly none of the corruption or the treaty breaking or the unethical decisions were even really hidden. it was never a conspiracy. it was all done in the open and the documentation and proof has been available all along. If all you use to get information is major media then yes it is all surprising and new. But many people have been talking about all this for more than a decade and utterly disenchanted about it.
It's amazing the number of people that it have told this stuff to over the last decade and wrote me off as some crazy now going.. wow you told me about this years ago, who do you know that you got that information. My reply is a simple, I don't know anyone. the information was always publicly available if you looked. Sometimes it was even on major media but packaged with a twist to make it look justified when it really wasn't.
@ Peter
"(imagine how we'd feel if we found a similar number of similar facilities operating in Mexico, funded by Russia?)"
or in Canada funded by perhaps North Korea, Iran, China?
or perhaps even in our country on land purchased by any of the above actors?
Well, well, well. Once again a democrat president and administration got us involved in foreign war that was caused by the democrat president and administration.
And, yes, again, a democrat-run newspaper hid facts and covered for a democrat president and administration.
And Russia was right? Damn.
Precisely.
What a shame that nobody at all trusts the NYT for anything at all and what a shame that it will be hard to find a neutral unbiased history of the situation for the next 30 or 50 years. Literally every horrible moment of this slide into war from the time the USSR broke up is captured in digital formats everywhere but even as we speak some people are doing their best to make sure that it does not survive an instant longer and that nobody will ever believe it when it does see the light of day.
Oh my goodness. How is Europe not a seething mass of radioactivity right now ?
You are, however, anti-Biden and anti-Obama--as am I, as it happens--but I also hold to the principle that even a blind squirrel can find a nut.
Support for Ukraine against Russian aggression was the nut the Biden administration found. The "biowarfare research facilities" in Ukraine can be found on the average agricultural college campus in the US, Victoria Nuland's remarks are about our involvement in Ukraine post-Euromaidan, and, frankly, Russia's failure to withdraw from Moldova in the aftermath of the splitup of the USSR, its cyberwarfare attacks on the Baltic states, and its invasion of Georgia do not exactly scream "more sinned against than sinning." The Ukrainians did not need our help to see Moscow as a greater threat to them than Brussels.
As you say, facts are facts. And the facts are that we did not create this war, except insofar as we did not recognize how far Putin would be willing to go to secure what he believes is Russia's rightful place in the world.
Because Vladimir Putin isn't a moron. He launches his nukes at the UK and France, the UK and France launch back at him, and we probably do too. He wouldn't have a country left.
If I walk out in my front yard with a rifle I am=ClassIII lab(defense) but if I walk across the street I into your yard I become a ClassIV lab(offense).The destination between these labs in name only is probably mute in Ukraine.
Well said some don't want the administrations actions to foil their hopes that Ukraine could beat the Great Bear.I have yet.. correct me if wrong but anyone nation beating Russia in the last 400yrs?
The NYT article was very likely "sanitized" and approved, so there are probably a lot of disturbing details that ended up in the editor's "trash" file
Yes...NATO has weaponized Ukraine against Russia....AFTER Russia invaded and tried to conquer Ukraine in 2022. I'm still trying to find someone who can state a VALID reason to justify the invasion. All I have heard is that Ukraine wanted to join NATO and Russia didn't like that. Well to bad...... sovereign nations are allowed to form whatever alliances they choose and doing so does NOT grant justification nor invading them. Inde d... Russia's invasion makes it obvious that Ukraine was correct in wanting to join NATO. Yes... Ukraine's government is corrupt....but so is Putin's. And Russia is a hell of a lot bigger threat to America than Ukraine ever could be. Why so many Americans think we should be friendly with Russia is hard to grasp. They are NOT our friends and never have been.
Eh. If we could get Russia on-board as part of an anti-China alliance I would be okay with that, and I think that would be better for Russia in the long-run, as we are unlikely to, say, take over Siberia. (Unlike China.)
Moscow and Putin think otherwise.
"... Well to[sic] bad...... sovereign nations are allowed to form whatever alliances they choose and doing so does NOT grant justification nor[sic] invading them. ..."
In your fantasy world, alliances don't justify invasion. In the real world, Italy allying with Germany made them an enemy of the Allies. In the real world, if Mexico decided to ally with Iran, the United States wouldn't tolerate it. And in the real world, you should really read the rest of the comments before ejaculating your opinion, because Mr. Grant had already provided more than one example of how NATO was interfering in Ukraine long before 2022. Before 2014 even. The US invaded Mexico and fought the Spanish American war with less justification and fewer provocative acts. As Mr. Grant says, we have no moral leg to stand on whatsoever.
Your view is pure USA INC, lies and propaganda. None so blind as those who will not see.
Ok this is for Dan. :)
Yes Russia did have reason in so far that We the United States and NATO that we basically control abrogated a bunch of agreements that we had with Russia involving Weapon placement and guarantees that we would never let into NATO any of the countries bordering Russia. Putin invading was never a surprise other than in the media. He gave many warnings that if we and Ukraine continued to ignore those agreements and moved Ukraine toward being a NATO member that he would invade. US blew him off and advised Ukrainian monkey in chief to ignore him also. Putin invaded exactly as he said when he said. and this is the explanation for the mentally challenged as there are about a dozen other causative factors based on actions we took over the last 30 years ignoring agreements and treaty's we made. Not to mention things Russia has done and other things it has done in relation to stuff we have done.
Sigh.. I'm not painting Putin to be a good guy. don't like him. Consider him a bad guy. Just because he is a bad guy doesn't make the US or Ukraine in this instance the good guys. The US *$*$&#& lied and abrogated our agreements, then we conspired and worked in the background to overthrow Ukraine and succeeded. Then we moved weapons closer to Russia's borders, then we pushed Ukraine into a shooting war with Russia. From what I can tell this was so that us, the UK and The EU could sell massive amounts of weapons and ammo to Ukraine and make a profit in money or assets eventually from Ukraine and then to double dip, there is the money spent with the manufactures of weapons to replace what we loaned to Ukraine. Then for the third dip, once the bullets stop flying we will help rebuild Ukraine and lots of people will make trillions of dollars in that decade and end up owning a lot of Ukraine in the process.
They weren't loans. Isolationism is not workable. There are far too many that hate the US and will not leave us alone until we are destroyed and subjugated.
If you wish to accelerate the destruction, go ahead and let Putin have what he wants.
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