When it comes to the use of handguns in self-defense, the current fashion is to go for high-capacity 9mm pistols. They're ubiquitous, and for good reason: the recoil is manageable for most shooters, there are plenty of rounds on tap (up to 17 or 18 in many examples), and if a quality hollowpoint round is used, they offer adequate terminal performance. Even compact examples, holding only 6-8 rounds, offer slightly greater power than the traditional .38 Special snub-nose revolver, and greater speed and ease of reloading. All in all, very useful weapons.
However, there's another aspect to it, and that is the age-old topic of "stopping power". We've pointed out before that there's no such thing, at least in theory, because one can't measure in any meaningful way how many rounds are required to stop an attacker. If he's merely out for a quick score, and meets spirited opposition, even one round that misses him might be enough to make him turn around and run for his life. On the other hand, if he's hopped-up on drugs, he might not feel half a dozen or more torso shots, and carry on attacking until his body finally shuts down. I've personally witnessed an assailant who'd been shot multiple times in the chest (including one round that went right through his heart), but he still lived long enough to reach the defender and open his skull with a machete. Both died on the scene. Can one call that a "successful" defense, in that it stopped the criminal attacker, but did not save the life of the defender? I can't.
On the other hand, there's a time-honored and generally accepted rule in defensive shooting that tells us the bigger and heavier a round is, the more likely it is to stop an attacker. It dates back to the days of the Civil War and the Wild West, where "manly" revolvers were in .44 or .45 caliber, while "lesser" pistols were in .36 caliber or even below. In general terms, one or two solid lead slugs to the chest from a .44 or .45 did the job, whereas it often took more of the smaller .36 rounds to achieve the same result.
Modern bullet technology has improved the performance of smaller cartridges like the .38 Special or 9mm, but it has also improved the performance of larger-caliber rounds. In general terms, based on actual street performance, the bigger stuff still stops attackers faster and more effectively than the smaller stuff. Of course, any round that shuts down the attacker's central nervous system is likely to achieve a very quick stop indeed, but that takes a shooter who's fast enough and accurate enough to do that on demand. Most of us aren't that good, so a more powerful impact is a distinct advantage when dealing with a hopped-up or fanatical attacker who has no intention of stopping, no matter what.
(As one measure of that: ask hospital emergency room nurses and surgeons how many shooting victims survive hits - even multiple hits - by 9mm or .38 Special handguns, versus how many live through hits from .40, .44 or .45 weapons. When I was a prison chaplain, the medical staff there told me there were any number of convicts with scars from the smaller cartridges, but very few showing scars from bigger ones. That's because those struck by bigger, harder-hitting bullets survived less often.)
That's been borne out over the past few years by videos of police and defensive shootings all over the world. We see how, time and again, those with smaller-caliber firearms (like 9mm pistols) fire half a dozen to a dozen rounds in order to stop an attacker. One or two rounds just won't do the job, because they're not hitting a vital target. In civil war situations, where attackers roam in mobs and attack in large numbers, the higher magazine capacity of a 9mm is valuable - but only if each round stops one attacker. If you put ten rounds into the first attacker, you may stop him, but then you've used more than half your pistol's magazine and other attackers are still coming towards you. You're in trouble.
Therefore, choose your defensive handguns in the light of what enemy(ies) you may face. If you suspect you may have to drive anywhere near, say, an Antifa or BLM demonstration, you might want to carry large quantities of ammunition with you, but you might also (and, to my mind, should) carry a more powerful weapon than a mere handgun. An AR15 or similar defensive rifle can provide far greater stopping power, and far greater practical accuracy, than a 9mm pistol.
If you have no choice but to rely on a handgun, it's worth relying on one powerful enough to get the job done. Most days I carry a 9mm or .38 Special handgun in a pocket, because it's the most easily concealed weapon, and because I'm in a relatively low-crime environment. If I were in a more progressive-left city with legions of aggrieved activists, something with higher capacity might be needed. However, given the realities of so-called "stopping power", and my experience with it in a civil war and unrest environment over many years in Africa, I'd probably choose something with greater power, like a 10mm, .44 or .45 handgun.
Some smaller "heavy" cartridges offer the advantage that a handgun chambered for them can hold almost as many rounds as a 9mm pistol. Looking at my gun safe, a 9mm Glock 17's magazine holds 17 rounds, whereas a .40 S&W Glock 22 holds 15, and a 10mm S&W M&P also holds 15 (the latter round being considerably more powerful than a .45 ACP, while we're at it). A heavier, harder-hitting cartridge does not have to imply lack of magazine capacity. Even that may not be an issue, depending on one's choice of firearm. A .45 ACP Glock 21 will hold 13 rounds, still a useful number. All of the rounds mentioned in this paragraph will deliver a harder punch than a smaller cartridge, and are likely to cause greater pain and disruption to the person hit by them. There's a lot to be said for that.
So, by all means, if you can only manage the recoil of a 9mm pistol, go with that option. It's not a bad choice, and will serve you well if you put the bullets where they're supposed to go. That takes training and practice. However, if you can handle the recoil of a more powerful round and shoot it accurately, there are good reasons to consider a handgun using them. If I'm visiting a city where crime and other hazards to my health are more likely to be encountered, I'm very likely to pick a large-caliber firearm. (To take just one example, a .38 Special snub-nose revolver can be dropped into the average trouser pocket very easily, but a .44 Special Charter Arms Bulldog is almost as light and not much bigger. Given a pocket big enough to conceal it - and there's nothing stopping us from adding cloth to an internal pocket to enlarge it - it makes a handy choice, and using a round like Buffalo Bore's .44 Special full wadcutter, I have every confidence in its stopping power at close range.)
Thoughts to consider in this violent, criminal day and age . . .
Peter
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As far as the prison survivor anecdotal evidence. Far more people are shot with the lower caliber. Even if the survival rate was lower you would expect to see more people who have the small caliber scars.
Sample size is vastly different between greater than 9 mm and 9mm or less.
Not to say you are wrong, but that how many people survive X is not an indicator of Y being more potent.
Spot on. As to pocket carry, I have been using a STICKY brand holster for about a year now. Like it. There are plenty of YouTube videos out there.
https://stickyholsters.com/
Here in Texas, I mostly wear cargo shorts. My EDC is a Hungarian made PA-63 in 9mm Makarov loaded with Hornady FTX. I also keep a firepower upgrade handy.
Like you, I usually carry a .38 revolver in my pocket (I am left-handed, so I carry a Charter Arms Southpaw). If I am out and about and am wearing sufficient cover garments, I carry a SIG in .40 caliber. One of the strangest recent trends in my 50+ years of shooting is the current disdain for the .40. It holds all the ammunition I am likely to need and, with Hornady Critical Defense ammo, should handle all but the most dire situations. Still, .40 is treated with contempt. It moves faster than .45 and is carries significantly more weight than 9mm, so what's not to love?
I have taught several inexperienced women to shoot handguns, usually with a Glock 19. I often have my Glock 21 with me, so I'll let them shoot that as well. They always seem to find the big 45 fun to shoot. One couple referred to it as a "Big Boy's" gun.
Each person may have unique needs/limitations. I'm 80, diminished hand strength, macular degeneration in right eye, and right handed. I'm not likely to survive any kind of mob attack. My choice is the .44 Special Charter Arms Bulldog I've carried for thirty+ years. All semi-automatics have been passed on to family members who can use them.
yeah. Mom always carried wadcutters in her 38 Smith. then again he uncle was a cop for years with stakeout squad too. he also carried a 45 wheel gun, the 1917 I think it was. the old Colt 45 round, he swore by those big flat bullets.
I agree with most of your article. That is why I still carry my G23 around the house. In my rural environment the extra juice from a .40 will be useful for 2 or 4 leg feral creatures. When I go into the blue city I take a G34 & multiple mags loaded with 147 grain. I feel the heavier bullets are more effective. I've been considering switching to a long slide .45 for many of the reasons you mentioned.
I have a couple of points to add.
A few years ago I was on a deer hunt and was slightly ill. I didn’t have the strength to pull my bow and I didn’t want to miss a hunt and it was firearms season so I used my 9mm.
I took a decent 150lb buck with one shot. I was using a Federal hollow point and the buck dropped in his tracks at 21 yards. When I dug out the bullet it had expanded to 15/16ths of an inch and it is mounted on the wall with the rack.
Bullet tech!
Also some criminals are using body armor. A great alternate target site is the pelvic area. This area is very vascular and the added benefit of breaking the hip or other load bearing bones will make it impossible for an attacker to stand.
Jim from down the bayou
For me, I am convinced that .357 magnum is my best choice. 4 inch S&W 586. I like 3 foot fireballs out of my handgun. Scorching eyebrows is a good thing.
As to size, I've said what you're saying for years. Folks tout the 9mm, saying that with advances in ammo technology, it now has the 'stopping power' one could formerly only get from a bigger round. I've countered that the same advances just mean that the larger rounds have advanced as well, so they're even more optimal.
--Tennessee Budd
A firearm is merely an energy transfer device: it uses the chemical energy in gunpowder to create kinetic energy in a moving projectile. Application of that kinetic energy is what overwhelms either the physiological structure of the human body or the capacity of the nervous system to continue activity, but the energy must, first, exist - energy that is not created cannot be applied - and it must be applied against the correct body points to be effective, in such a manner as to be effectively transferred - a sewing needle at 5X the speed of sound may have a great deal of energy but lacks the ability to transfer any significant part of it, while a heavier projectile at much slower speed will more effectively transfer nearly all of its energy.
The usual arguments about "9MM vs .45" have been with us for over a century and help sell a lot of gun magazines; it is significant, however, that "way back when" during the Philippine Insurrection the U.S. Army removed the 38 Special from service and replaced it, not with Georg Luger's excellent 9MM pistol, but with older - and slower - Single Action Army pistols using the .45 Colt cartridge, and went on to commission a new sidearm of .451 bore diameter.
A pistol has been described as "a piece of crap one uses to fight their way to a rifle" and that statement has a lot of truth to it. Until shoulder-carried .45-70, 44 Magnum, AR10 and 8.6 Blackout rifles become an everday occurrence in America, however, we're committed to using pistols for self defense, so carry one using the most powerful cartridge you can get good with, loaded with the most effective ammunition available and train with it, then practice what you've trained, until placing projectiles instantly in The Right Place becomes automatic; for most situations the mantra of "any cartridge beginning with a 4" is correct, but if physical limitations prevent that, concentrate on becoming expert regarding shot placement.
My Charter Arms Bulldog 5 shot .44 special one inch barrel is heavier than my Ruger GP 100 7 shot .357 2.5 inch barrel. But, the Bulldog is a great backup gun.
Josey Wales carried two .45 Colts and two .36 Colts. That might have been an appropriate amount of casual firepower.
Underwood Ammo also has a 200-gr hard-cast wadcutter in .44 special; it also claims 1000 fps. And it's just over half the price of the one you mentioned. I haven't had a chance yet to try that particular load, but I'd give Underwood high marks for quality in their other loads.
Goatroper
The other point is 'hitting' the critical area, be it COM or pelvic. Spray and pray doesn't work, regardless of caliber.
It's a "trend" thing. I had settled on 9mm and 45acp LONG before 10mm or 40 were a twinkle in someone's eye.
Still, 40 and 10mm are very potent rounds, l think the main reason for their lag in popularity, is recoil. Everybody can handle 38 and 9mm, but the 40 requires more training, for taming the beast.
FWIW, people shot with anything from .22 to .40 generally survive to be discharged from the hospital, barring a catastrophic hit to the heart or brain. They may, however, quickly abandon the fight after even a single hit. One notable knucklehead holding a knife charged an officer with weapon drawn (we make no comment on how many bullets were fired, or general PD marksmanship, or lack thereof), who was hit only two times, in each upper extremity, at a range of <15', and immediately dropped his knife and went down like a sack of potatoes. He was quickly cuffed, and then tourniquet applied, which saved his life, as one of the 9mm rounds entering near the elbow and exiting in the upper bicep had longitudinally sliced open the brachial artery on his stabbing arm. The shooting officer was also the life-saving officer, once those cuffs were on.
People hit with .44 and .45 caliber pistols, or rifles larger than .22LR, and any shotgun hits with buckshot, don't generally make it to to ER in the first place, and those that do seldom survive to tell the tale. It happens, but with the regularity of blue moons.
But that's only 25 years' experience in the Greater SoCal Knife & Gun Clubs talking.
YMMV.
I have to go with the pilot's maxim: shoot until the target keels over dead, changes shape, or catches on fire, and bigger bullets make bigger holes.
Size...caliber...matters. Accuracy matters more.
A couple thoughts, here in Alaska you have to allow for heavy clothing which can plug hollow points preventing expansion. In trips to the city I carry a five shot .357 loaded with flat points in fall and winter. My neighbor who is a retired emergency room doctor from Detroit carries a 45APC. She has seen lots of examples of stopping power!
IIRC, the revolvers issued for the Philippine Insurrection were using 38 Army, and the interim solution was to lengthen the cartridge and add more powder to make the 38 Special.
I find it interesting that Colt's 2nd revolver was .36 (cap & ball), and that the 38 cartridge still used the same diameter bullet and the revolvers may have just been converted cap & ball. Shortly after smokeless powder made semi-autos possible, the 9mm appeared, which translates to .36.
Shotgun with buckshot at home. I'm not convinced 'stopping power' and 'concealed carry pistol cartridge' belong in the same sentence.
Outside, I'm transitioning from snub 38 to a micro-9 but I'm working against 50 years of muscle memory so I've got to keep training until I get it right without thinking, then train more. The good news is if I use a revolver grip on a micro-9, I can easily one-hand it. The reverse is not true.
At 71, I cut my gun teeth on a 5" 1911, 9 .45's on board w/two spares on my belt. If the fancy ammo feeds ok, fine. But good hits are final. Fortunately I've never had to test the theory....
Five-shot, 3-inch barreled Rossi 720 with a butter-smooth trigger, loaded with 200-gr. Speer "flying ashtray" .44 Special rounds. It's not much harder to carry than a .38, and I have a lot of confidence in it!
- Bob G.
A larger caliber round or one as effective as a 357 Magnum is great but being able to shoot it effectively with the desired results is even more desirable. So the most effective handgun you can shoot well and will carry is more on point. I prefer a .44 Special or .45 ACP but usually pocket carry a J-Frame sized .38 Special.
ohhh fun... love ballistics...
So first for the last poster JohninMD.... god bless the 1911. I have never had one nor shot one more than 2 unintentional rounds. However I have always held the opinion that it is very nice self defense round. The down sides that left me uninterested in it were
1. ammunition cost and
2. magazine capacity.
However including glock, several manufactures have made very nice high capacity double stack magazines. If my life long constraining factor not been money I would have gotten one years ago just for fun. :) the one time I did shoot one was a fun story.
I had a girl friend that was very into I know this person and that person. Knowing I was into shooting she took me to a local gun range where she knew the owner who had this amazing (read expensive) special handgun. It was pretty uncomfortable all around. I think the guy was a much friendlier guy to single women than to other men :) lol. anyway. she knew him and told him what a great shot I was (not sure where she got that idea as usually I don't say more than that Im a decent shot) and then she basically pressured him into letting me shoot his high speed pistol. Which was a custom Kimber .45ACP with a 2lb trigger. I had never shot any gun with a 2lb trigger in my life. He loaded it and laid it down on the bench in the range. Had a target out at about 4 or 5 yards. Just a little bigger than a sheet of letter size printer paper. I picked up the kimber and raised it to point at the target and put my finger in the trigger guard and on the trigger as the muzzle came up on the target. BANG! BANG!. Two holes in the target. Beautiful double tap. Never done better before or since it was so smooth and fast. I then carefully pulled my finger out off the trigger and slowly and carefully placed the pistol back on the bench while saying "that is a light trigger. Nice pistol". The inside story is that I had no intention of pulling the trigger when it went off. Damn trigger was so light that I did a double tap ND without meaning to. I'm sure I looked cool as shit but inside I was shaking and going "SHIT!!!" That is the only ND in 55 years of shooting I have ever had.
I had over the the years before that thought about how much fun and maybe more accurate a lighter trigger would be. That cured me of that desire :) I still feel it as a stain on my record of safe gun handling.
Occasionally I see comments about inability to rack a slide on a semi auto I get it. My current edc are m&p shields and its hard to safely rack the slide. My work around with my 1911’s and other hammer fired guns is to thumb cock the hammer before racking the slide to chamber a round. Beretta makes a couple of pistols with tilt barrels where you dont have to rack a slide at all, however, I think they only come in .22 and .25 cal.
I've tried the Underwood 200gr wadcutters in my Charter Bulldog 3".
Frisky?
Exciting?
The recoil is intense, I consider them too hot for this lightweight revolver. Plus they shoot high at 10yds.
210gr SWC at 875fps shoot to point of aim, don't cause pain and still poke a .429" hole.
It's my cabin carry, with two CCI Big Shot (#4 birdshot vs #9 bird shot) up first in the cylinder.
Light, convenient in Bianchi belt thumb-break and covers me for Mr. No-legs (first two shots); Mr. Four-legs (Blue Ridge location, so black bear, bobcat, mt lion, feral dog & now possible wolf) and Mr. Two-legs.
I like the wadcutters, but lack a supply to load or a mold to cast.
Lot of people here seem to love the revolvers. I have shot a few from 38 sp 36 cap and ball, 357mag, 41 special. I really liked the 41 special. I was fairly unimpressed with the rest. To be fair I don't think we actually were shooting 357mag ammo in the 357mag. I think it was a partial box of 38sp that my friend had in retrospect. My impression of 38sp, and 36 cap and ball were about the same. Pull the trigger, Boom, wait a second and thwack as the bullet hit the target. 41 special felt almost identical to shooting my preferred .40SW. Was shooting with at friend at 8 inch steel at 100 yards with him shooting his 44 special with I think a 6 or 7 inch barrel and me shooting a glock 35 tactical practical long slide .40. Probably some of the most fun shooting ever. We swapped back and forth and pretty much could hit with each others guns the same as we did with our normal one. I think both of us were running about 80% that day which was really good at that distance for me. However honestly the ballistics just felt the same.. couldn't tell a difference in the shot and steel sound between them.
I can understand a hammer-less double action revolver as a pocket gun. I listened to the arguments and they sounded fairly convincing. It still makes me cringe though to think of carrying
I'd like to hear more about pocket carrying a charter bulldog 44, Peter
A 10 mm is one mm better than a 9. In other words a 200 gr JHP traveling 1245 fps over a 124 gr JHP traveling the same speed.
I am liking the next gen ammo I am using now. with a muzzle velocity of 2040ft per sec or 2000ft per sec .. the 50 to 60 gr bullets respectively carry some impressive kinetic energy at the muzzle. 9mm+P 462ft/lbs .40sw 533ft/lbs. The downsides are that it loses velocity quickly due to cross section vs density and it's penetration is closer to 12 inches vs the 18+ of a lot of other more traditional bullets. Upsides are near rifle velocity, lighter recoil, higher kinetic energy. These rounds are known to penetrate level 3A body armor due to the high velocity. Due to their construction they are totally legal. They are not designed as armor piercing that happening is simply due to the velocity.
1. i carry a pistol not to fight battles but to protect against close range life threatening aggression. I'm not going to be shooting at people 100 yards away, or 50 yards away or 25 yards away. If a situation happens it will probably be at 2 to 7 yards. This round is carrying a lot of muzzle energy, very little of which will be lost at this range. With the lower penetration it's going to dump close to 100% of that energy in the target.
2. lower penetration is something I consider a feature not a bug for close range defensive needs. I don't get a get out of jail free card if I shoot someone in self defense and hit the person on the other side of them like the cops do. Regardless of the legal liability I still don't want to accidentally hurt someone that doesn't need to be hurt. If you look at average human, 12 inches of penetration is still a through shot most anywhere that doesn't hit a bone. If it does go through it won't be carrying much velocity on the way out.
3. age and weakness..... I started looking for lighter recoiling ammo that still has very impressive terminal effects due to problems in my joints and weakness in my hands and arms. It hurts to shoot powerful guns anymore. Also my standard carry setup just seemed to get heavier and heavier every year. First I went to this ammo in my carry .40sw caliber pistol. The weight difference in the 3 15rd magazines on the belt was significant. Over the next few years even that got heavier perceptually as I got more physically infirm. I then moved to 9mm and lost a few more ounces. But the lower recoil even there and less weight has helped.
First my journey to this point had me looking at FN's 5.7 round... which I consider to be impressive. However the guns and ammo are expensive plus new magazines etc etc... same for armscor's 22TCM round.. new gun .. though guns are not that expensive.. ammo is harder to get and more expensive. Then I ran across this stuff. Just buy ammo and get same features of the as if bought the new weapon systems with faster lighter bullets but in my current carry guns. I tried a box of it and liked it.. easy inexpensive upgrade to meet a new need in my carry system.
oh it is liberty ammunition's civil defense line of carry ammo. no other connection other than I like it. Seems to shoot reliably and consistently through my glocks.
What you had was a rare Unintentional Discharge, not a negligent one. You waited until the gun was pointing at the target before putting your finger on the trigger, at which point you were ready to shoot, and just fine-tuning your aim. The second shot is more questionable except you were still on target, and it sounds like you learned a lot from it.
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