Monday, April 7, 2025

The wider implications of tariffs

 

Following on from my article about tariffs last week, Francis Turner provides this screen capture from 4chan that looks at tariffs from a different angle.



Mr. Turner adds:


That, coincidentally (ya think?), means that the interest rate the federal government has to pay on it’s enormous debt decreases which, in turn, reduces the deficit and extends the time needed for Trump and the Republicans in congress to get their ducks in a row and pass an actual budget.

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The combination of second order effects - lower interest rates, lower taxes, lower oil prices - are likely to, partially if not completely, counteract the price rises that will be seen by tariffs on imports.


There's more at the link.  I'm inclined to agree with him.

Another aspect of the tariff problem is that Europe is going to be faced with a tidal wave of Chinese manufactured goods seeking new markets, now that they may be priced out of the US market.


The U.S. holds a special place in the world economy because it buys much more from the world than it sells to it. Americans are the world’s consumers of last resort, helping to balance out vast trade surpluses in places like China and Europe that do the reverse: sell more to other countries than they buy.

Chinese manufacturers, wrestling with overcapacity in some sectors, have recently flooded global markets with cheap goods and started competing aggressively with American and European businesses around the world. China’s surplus with the world overall was just shy of $1 trillion last year, three times its size in 2018. The EU last month unveiled plans to protect its steel and aluminum producers from global overcapacity, pointing to rising exports from China and increasing trade barriers in key markets like the U.S.

China’s exports to the EU exceeded imports from the bloc by over 300 billion euros, equivalent to almost $332 billion, in 2024, according to EU data, a gap that is roughly twice as large as when Trump first started imposing tariffs in 2018. The EU has highlighted that burgeoning trade deficit as problematic even as it has defended its large goods surpluses with the U.S.

For European businesses, even with a new trade deal that lowers barriers to entry, it isn’t clear that they could significantly increase exports to China.

“China exports, it doesn’t import,” said Brad Setser, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “If Europe wants to do a deal with China, it has to be prepared to kiss its auto industry goodbye.”

As the trade confrontation between the U.S. and China escalates, Chinese companies will come under increased pressure to dump their excess production in Europe, further increasing the competitive pressure on the continent.


Again, more at the link.

President Trump is doing exactly what he promised he would do.  He's protecting American interests, after years - decades! - during which our politicians (of both major parties, let it be said) supported Wall Street, stocks, financialization and de-industrialization, at the expense of this country's manufacturing economy and the jobs it supported.  In doing so, he's thrown a long-overdue monkey wrench into the systems and structures of international trade.  The fallout is as yet unpredictable, but is unlikely to be as bad for the United States as was the old system.

Interesting times indeed!

Peter


14 comments:

Gerry said...

"About 162 million Americans, or 62% of US adults, own stock. The top 1% holds 50% of stocks, worth $23 trillion". Motley Fool

As for driving reinvestment into the US, not a bad goal in the long run.

Chuck said...

Treasury Secretary Bessent has openly stated they're trying to lower the 10 year yield so they can refinance the $7 Trillion that has to be done this year at better rates and using longer term notes instead of the short term bills that Yellen used when rates were at historic lows.
A lower 10 yr yield also lowers the financing costs for average Joes, since this is the rate that is used to set mortgages, credit card, and other consumer debt rates. A lower 10 year yield would be of far greater benefit to the economy that a stock market at new highs.

Trailer For Sale Or Rent said...

I went to the link and read the entire thing. Makes good sense, but my fear is that the people who most need to understand this are not going to read it, or will refuse to consider anything other than "Trump Bad".

Francis Turner said...

It is worth noting that back in the 17th/18th century China was the world's factory too. Albeit indirectly much of the gold and silver the Spanish took from the Americas ended up in China. The imbalance then, with China not importing anything much was a problem that, again indirectly, ended up eventually incentivizing the Opium wars because the British wanted to be able to sell something to China in exchange for the goods they got from it

Dan said...

There are a lot of vested special interests being gored by Trump. Some of whom are extremely powerful...and evil. Even with diligent Secret protection Trump is at risk. And I suspect there are still leftists buried within the ranks of that agency willing to aid and abet attempts on his life. Like there were people complicit in the attempt in Butler, PA.

Peter said...

Sadly, I fear you're right. I can only hope that there are enough Secret Service agents "on the ball" and loyal to their oath of office to stop the bad actors before they strike...

Old NFO said...

I second Dan's point.

Anonymous said...

It has been two months and two weeks since Trump was inaugurated and the left is foaming at the mouth. I would wager that Trump spent at least four years (minus a few days recuperation when they took a shot at him) war gaming this strategy. I am comfortable in taking a wait and see approach. The only tariff threat I am even ~remotely~ concerned about is the potential price increase on ammo, disclosed in this blog a few days ago, LOL. And since I spent the entire scam-demic learning to reload, I'm not that concerned. Went to Dollar Tree tonight, prices are still $1.25 (Thanks, Joe!). I will wait til I feel pain before complaining about it. So far, so good as far as I'm concerned. PS: If Trump actually does audit Ft. Knox and if the gold is still there, then he could potentially "write up" it's value from the official $42 and ounce to something near market price and the US balance sheet instantly looks a whole lot better.

JG said...

With the WTO and “Fair Trade” we have seen many companies move their industries to foreign countries to operate and then sell back in the USA. This includes Big Pharma, Furniture, Agriculture, Electronics, Ship building, Auto Building, Wood, Metal Production, and others that put the USA national security at risk. Too long foreign countries have put tariffs and VATs on American goods but the USA has not and we are dying as a country. Trump’s Tariff plan is to make companies to move back to the USA, restore the middle class, and fix national security.

Nate Winchester said...

Along similar lines, another perspective on tariffs I found interesting.

Anonymous said...

> this will cause the fed to slash interest rates so he can refinance the debt to near 0% and cause a deflationary spiral which will lower the cost of everything

This makes no sense. Maybe they're casting a magic spell, where if they state their desires while wearing a fancy costume in a really dramatic setting, the speech directly alters physical reality.

When the fed succeeds at making interest rates lower, those new loans are official counterfeiting, which is inflationary, not deflationary.

Currency inflation makes everything more expensive for the middle class, whose savings are mostly held in the currency being officially counterfeited.

Getting the interest lowered on the national debt historically just allows Congress to rack up more debt. You've seen how eager Congress is to cut spending.

Anonymous said...

A tariff is a tax. The middle class is not improved by paying a new 25% sales tax on much of what they buy. What does that tax get spent on? On more government to do more stupid and evil things.

America has a history of the vice president being the chief neocon, in charge of keeping taxes flowing to the military-industrial complex. So Trump wants more taxes and Vance wants more war with Iran. Both are doing the wrong thing.

Anonymous said...

Then they find out, when they find out. Some don't want to be positive about Trump.

Anonymous said...

FWIW

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2025/04/10/trump-tariffs-china-alex-c-is-wrong/