Wednesday, August 2, 2023

There's no point in building new power plants if they can't connect to the grid

 

RealClearWire makes a very important point.


The total capacity of energy projects in the nation’s queues is growing fast and increased by 40% year-over-year in 2022, according to a recent report from the Berkeley Lab ... But to be able to build the infrastructure needed to meet our targets, development and construction timelines must be radically shortened.

Some more sobering statistics: The combined solar and wind capacity currently actively seeking grid interconnection roughly equals the installed capacity of the entire U.S. power plant fleet. And just 21% of projects (and 14% of capacity) seeking connection from 2000 to 2017 had been built as of the end of 2022.

Not surprisingly, bad wait times are only getting worse. The typical duration from connection request to commercial operation increased from less than two years for projects built from 2000 to 2007 to nearly four years for those built from 2018 to 2022. When companies do finally get projects reviewed, they often face another hurdle: Local grids are at capacity, so they are required to spend much more than they planned for new transmission lines and other upgrades.

The mission-critical priority is not the ability to build energy resources. It’s the infrastructure and ability to absorb and leverage those energy resources. Forget about politics, policy, and money – if you don’t have the infrastructure to support the new technology, nothing else matters.

This New York Times headline from February sums up the issue well: “The U.S. Has Billions for Wind and Solar Projects. Good Luck Plugging Them In.”

Much of the U.S. grid was built in the 1960s and 1970s, and over 70% of it is currently more than a quarter-century old. But age isn’t the grid’s only problem. The U.S. power infrastructure was built to bring energy from where fossil fuels are burned to where the energy will be used. The nation’s electricity industry, meanwhile, grew via a patchwork of local utility companies whose targets were to meet local demand and maintain grid reliability.

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Along with the need for new ways to transmit and store sustainable energy, the existing grid will need a major upgrade as demand for electricity rises to meet the needs of electric vehicles, heat pumps, and other replacements for conventional energy sources. A modernized and expanded grid “will be the backbone of the energy transition – and a requirement of any realistic decarbonization pathway,” according to a 2022 report by McKinsey & Company ... The U.S. grid will need to expand by 60% by 2030, and doing so would require “a mind-boggling acceleration of the typical ten-year capital project timeline. It is, arguably, a century of work to do in less than a decade.”


There's more at the link.

This is becoming more and more complicated as electric vehicles become more widespread, and need charging stations to function.  We've all seen pictures of an EV charging station with its own diesel generator attached, because the operator can't get adequate (sometimes any) connections to the local power grid.  It's become something of a joke, but we're probably going to see more of it.

I'm seeing it with local companies as well.  I've studied logistics for years, as a bellwether of the entire economy.  Many companies, from big box stores to vehicle service stations, are complaining that the logistics infrastructure is costing them money and time, delaying their work, aggravating their customers, and imposing additional costs to source materials from alternate sources.  They can't get around the problem;  they're utterly dependent on the infrastructure to supply them, and that infrastructure all too often is breaking down.  Warehouses can't get enough people to pick and pack goods and ship them out;  supermarkets can't get enough workers to restock shelves;  transport firms are competing for drivers and delivery staff, making things worse for each other by trying to outbid one another.  (One regional manager for a trucking company told me he's offering big bonuses to drivers to come and work for him, but he's being forced to pay them over six months to a year, because if he pays up front, the drivers will take the bonus, then within three months turn around and hire on somewhere else for another big bonus, regardless of written agreements.  If he tries to enforce the agreements, nobody will hire on to his company any more - so he's forced to knuckle under.)

The electrical grid is just another piece of infrastructure, and suffers from the same problems as other types of infrastructure.  There aren't enough trained electricians, technicians and engineers to maintain what we've got now, never mind expand and upgrade it.  How are all these new energy projects going to come online?  Your guess is as good as mine.

Peter


17 comments:

Jess said...

Locally, a large upgrade of the grid took about three years from right-of-way acquisition and construction. It was more than necessary to accommodate increased demand for electricity in an area that had loads substantially increased by new hurricane damage rebuilding. Considering the amount of construction, that was probably a good timeline for what was possible to complete. In the grand scheme of things, the project was relatively small. A larger project would require much more time, and if materials are limited by demand, decades could be be required.

Anonymous said...

Silence peasant and keep sending your money to Ukraine!

Anonymous said...

This doesn't even get into the difficulty of permitting and getting approval for ANY new project - whether generation, transmission, chemical plant, etc.
Transmission lines in particular are difficult because they move through many jurisdictions so they have to meet the same requirements over and over again...

SiGraybeard said...

60% by 2030? Hah! How about 200 to 300% just to get cars converted to EVs. The thing nobody mentions with rare exceptions is that the power grid will need to generate and distribute three to four times the current amount of power if every car goes electric. Two to three for cars alone, and the rest for the rest of the green jihad against anything running on natural gas. Water heaters, generators, kitchen appliances, you name it.

The rare exceptions that have pointed this out? Both Elon Musk of Tesla and Akio Toyoda of Toyota Motors.

froginblender said...

Not to be a wise guy, Peter, but I remember not too long ago you predicted that truck drivers would be put out of work en masse by self-driving trucks. That hasn't happened, instead, there is a shortage of truck drivers.

As Yogi Berra said, predictions are hard, especially about the future ;)

LL said...

It might not be a problem if we move into 15 minute hive cities where we don't need cars.

lynn said...

Texas now has 21,162 MW of Solar Panels and 38,685 MW of Wind Turbines. Only about 30,000 MW can reach the east Texas side where all the load is (Dallas and Houston). The problem is that more power lines need to be added. The secondary problem is the grid cannot stand more than 20,000 MW of wind turbines since it becomes unstable. About five years ago, ERCOT was running 90% wind turbines in the middle of the night when a cold front came in. In the process of turning the wind turbines, they almost lost the grid and had to start gas turbines to meet the small demand.
https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

Old NFO said...

Localities, like subdivisions, don't have the infrastructure to support EVs. Talk about costs to upgrade!!!

tweell said...

Solar and wind are problematic because they don't produce power when we want, they produce power when the sun shines and wind blows. Power companies match generator output to consumer demand second by second, adding the solar and wind power makes this matching job much more problematic. Currently the best ways to rapidly change power outputs are gas turbine and water. Coal and nuclear are steam plants, they cannot fluctuate rapidly one way or another safely.

It's not only connecting them to the grid and beefing it up, it's having the generator mix that can absorb wide fluctuations and provide an even output to the customer.

Xoph said...

For every megawatt of solar or wind you need a dispatchable Mw of something reliable. The best places to harvest green energy tend to be away from people and so require long transmission lines, with all the maintenance costs and debt service that big an investment requires. Wind, most turbines reach 100% output around 20 mph and average 20-25% of that. Wind turbines collect dirt, bugs, bird nests and the occasional bird. They are maintenance intensive at 300 feet off the ground in remote locations. They ARE NOT cheap.

Wind produces a variable AC output which must be rectified into DC and then inverted into a useful, predictable AC. You get real power and your imaginary power (required for magnetically driven loads, i.e. electric motors) must be gotten from somewhere. Utilities now use old idled generators to compensate for the imaginary power. More maintenance, more trouble.

There are good uses for solar and wind, the US grid is not one of them other than perhaps development and research. Witness Germany right now.

We had the cheapest, cleanest, most reliable power until we started to go green. Nuclear could be done so much better and is worth a book, let alone a blog post or comment (IMO as a former Naval and Civilian Nuke operator). PS Nuclear can load follow just fine and plants were designed to do it until politics got in the way.

Genji said...

Maybe it's time for a dose of humility and the putting down of the copeium pipe and seriously, really seriously looking at how the PRC gets things done. The build-out of infrastructure in the past 25 years has been incredible.

And no, Copesters... it's not about putting a gun to people's heads or sending them off to camps. That's more likely to happy to *you* in the current year or very soon than 99.99% of Chinese.

Really look and learn. Every time you feel the Peter Zeihan masturbatory urge to go 'But but but the Three Gorges Dam is going to collapse' just @#$%ing put a lid on it and like I said look and learn.

It can be done. Just it can't be done with your 'freedom' (tell me another one!) and 'capitalism' (it is to laugh) and your current cabal of financiers. Guess which ethnicity does *not* rule the financial roost and own the political class in China. Just guess. And then ask yourself why the PRC is now apparently the mortal enemy of the USA.

FWIW too, much of the renewable energy coming online in the USA is not just difficult to connect to the grid, it's going to be in places where it's not even necessarily needed and of course also extremely expensive once it's online. Remember that all these renewables got built because of artificial incentives and market distortions -- it's all tax breaks and subsidies all the way down.

Anonymous said...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Pipeline can carry 3 million barrels of fuel per day between Texas and New York. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_(unit)#Oil_barrel In the oil industry, an oil barrel is defined as 42 US gallons google When testing electric vehicles for fuel economy, the United States EPA uses a standard of 115,000 BTU of energy per gallon (US) of gasoline, which converts to 33.7 kWh.

((3E6 * 42 * 33.7E3)/1E9) / 24 = 177 gigawatts generated at the same time

B said...

"The combined solar and wind capacity currently actively seeking grid interconnection roughly equals the installed capacity of the entire U.S. power plant fleet."

I call bullshit on this statement

Gerry said...

If you could build the plants to generate the power you needed, the lines themselves can only handle so much load. That is a major issue.

Dad29 said...

So happens that a far-Left mega-Dem-donor is dropping a few hundred million into a company which will build out the infrastructure we "need." For a price, of course. He's used to raking it in; he is the principal importer/sales outlet for Red Chinese-built solar panels.

I put that into scare quotes because I don't think it's co-incidence that he drops a large load of money AND this infrastructure weakness suddenly pops up. Do you? Really???

Wisconsin does not have this problem, and it is not apparent that the rest of the MISO (Midwest utility group) has it, either. Maybe a longer look at this 'crisis' will reveal less 'crisis' than "cash opportunity" for someone.

heresolong said...

Never mind stocking grocery shelves, how about just collecting grocery carts from the parking lot? For the past six months I have grabbed a grocery cart as I walked into from the lot because there are NEVER any carts in the collection area at the front of the store. They are using the people they can get to do the stocking because it is more important but clearly they are very short staffed.

lynn said...


"B said...

"The combined solar and wind capacity currently actively seeking grid interconnection roughly equals the installed capacity of the entire U.S. power plant fleet."

I call bulls*** on this statement
August 3, 2023 at 7:04 AM"

Nope, he is correct. The number of facilities to be built by people like Hunter Biden is simply amazing. But they cannot get connected to the various grids because they are out in podunk somewhere. And so they cannot get financing and it is all a pipe dream. Nevertheless, the project is listed in the potential projects to be built even though it is not feasible.